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Roger Williams 205/06/2014 23:07:19
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Hello all, having just purchased a Multifix Retracting Threading toolholder, I am at a loss as to where to obtain the tangential inserts from.I believe they are made by Ifanger or Komet. I took a chance buying the toolholder (new Swiss E size at a good price)and now hope someone on here could point me in the right direction for the inserts !. Will try and post a picture of a similar one. Many thanks.

PS, looks like I have to put the picture in my album first.

Clive Hartland06/06/2014 08:06:45
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Log on to Brutsh Reugger website in Switzerland, they have a comprehensive listing of Ifanger and other suitable tooling for Multifix.

Clive

Roger Williams 206/06/2014 16:19:06
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Hello Clive, thanks for the info. This is a picture similar to mine, the cutter "insert" is a sort of dog leg shape.

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Clive Hartland06/06/2014 19:39:20
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Hi Roger, I have a couple of those cutters in 55' and 60' deg. I rigged up a tool holder to suit. You notice that you can rotate the tool holder to match the pitch of the screw?

Multifix is a superb system and the accessories are very good.

Clive

Versaboss06/06/2014 20:01:24
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Just use the correct name:

Brütsch-Rüegger: **LINK**

But Ifanger is also on the web:

**LINK**

Regards, Hansrudolf

JasonB06/06/2014 20:09:05
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Link straight to the part

Roger Williams 206/06/2014 22:43:59
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Versaboss and JasonB, thanks for the links.

Clive, you are right, you can rotate the shaft, Ive just been in the workshop to try it !. Did you have to buy your 2 cutters in from Germany ?. They certainly look easy to sharpen.

Roger.

Clive Hartland07/06/2014 07:52:55
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Hi Roger, I was given the task of closing down a workshop equipped with Schaublin machines, a lot of tools were kept as spares and I found these in a cupboard much later and therefore inherited them.

The tooling was used on a Schaublin lathe (N102) that had a sliding headstock shaft where the thread being cut had a threaded sleeve placed on the end and the that was engaged with a star of the same thread and the whole shaft came forward. the whole thread was cut in one go on brass or Alu.

It took longer to place the component than to cut it.

Clive

Ian S C07/06/2014 12:57:05
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Bet you don't get those tools for peanutscheeky. Ian S C

Roger Williams 207/06/2014 14:06:40
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Clive, you were lucky to inherit them. I believe CIS in the UK import Ifanger stuff, so I will try them. Interestingly, I saw a video of a bloke somewhere who cut the cutter clamp off the end and welded a square threading insert holder on the end, the modern type. A bit drastic.

IanSC, the cutter bits, or the actual toolholder unit ?.

Regards, Roger.

Clive Hartland07/06/2014 15:32:10
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Hi Ian, they currently cost approx Sf 135 (£90)from the Swiss tool company listed further up the postings. I have never been able to fault the tooling and it has always done what it says on the label. Very desirable tooling and they were not the only tooling I inherited (See my Photos) I would have had the Lathe or 1 of them anyway but had no space to put it. Later the N102 complete wiih all tooling, collets and a dividing head went for £750. I could have wept as I could have built another shed to put it in and still made a profit. Currently they go for £7000 to £8000, when I first ordered it from Switzerland it cost £14000 and that was in 1977. I also ordered a Shaublin 13 Milling machine and that cost £17000. That and another N102 went for £7800 for the pair. Next time I buy a house it will have a double garage.

Clive

capnahab27/01/2015 11:03:37
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Roger , did you get anywhere with the insert ?. I am having trouble registering with the website.

Can the viewers recommend any of the German copy to holders , - AXA and PeWe ?.

Muzzer27/01/2015 12:32:29
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Regarding Multifix copies

I had the most bizarre exchange with the owner of PeWe Tools just before Xmas (gold coloured). I queried why he charges a lot more for a pair of holders than the incremental cost difference between say 4 and 6 holders bought as a set. I think a pair of holders may even have cost more than two singles. I was looking to buy a Type B post for my Bantam, along with something like 8 or 10 holders and simply asking for him to do me a sensible price for the lot. This seemed to be beyond his comprehension, although he came up with some amusing explanations. He clearly didn't want my business, so my bank account remained intact. Although they appear to be German parts, I am pretty certain they are sourced from China.

The other supplier I narrowed down to was Create (blue coloured) in China. As they were temporarily out of stock, I was able to avoid damaging said bank balance until my mouse / finger problem resolved after Xmas. If I find myself with sufficient funds and / or the finger problem reappears, I intend to get some of theirs.

The Rotagrip system (blue coloured) looks fairly Chinese too, although they cost more. I wonder if they are made by Create?

Obviously I wasn't prepared to cough up for "original" Multifix parts, even if I could track them down through all the smoke and mirrors.

Murray

Clive Hartland27/01/2015 14:10:22
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I know that the dealer in EMCO machines stock the Multifix tool hoders, worth checking on them. Pro-Machine tools.

Clive

SteveI27/01/2015 15:47:56
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Hi,

I recently purchased some 2nd hand A sized in a job lot from ebay in Germany. Most of them are stamped "West Germany" and are a perfect fit for my Swiss made tool post and are nicely finished and appear to be hardened. I have no idea who made them. Does anyone have an idea?

Also included were a few unmarked and I can only assume these are Chinese origin and the finish is rougher and they are not hard as a file marks them. The made in West Germany marked holders compare well to the few Swiss made I have sourced from ebay.co.uk. The Swiss ones are all marked with the NPL logo which I am guessing is National Physics Laboratory and were in very good condition. (I am still to source a 55° and 60° tool bit for the external threading tool holder I have.) The 1 x unknown source (Chinese) parting blade holder I have is awful compared to the 1 x swiss original I have. I have not seen any of the "P" (tangential) type either original, German or Chinese for sale and I'd like to try one. I'd also like to try an internal thread cutter and it seems the Chinese don't make these.

On German ebay there are lots of unmarked which I think it is safe to assume are Chinese (PeWe are made in China) but also AFI which google tells me are made in Germany. Can anyone confirm that? Does anyone have experience of the AFI?

I have found that the 2 regular multifix sellers I have done business with listed only post to Germany but I messaged them and they agreed to post to the EU/Norway/Switzerland. I wrote the message with the help of google translate they then replied in English! The blanks listed are I think from China and are more expensive than the regular Chinese holders which I don't quite understand. I would really like to source some well fitting blanks.

Steve

Roger Williams 227/01/2015 15:54:08
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Hello capnahab, I couldnt get an insert, so I made a new spindle and welded the end of a carbide insert threading tool to it. I think its one of JB Cutting tools , about £20. Works a treat. I think Clive mentioned how expensive the original ones are, about £100 surprise. Heres a pic of mine.( I hope)25102014152.jpg

Roger Williams 227/01/2015 15:58:17
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Comet make the inserts I think.

capnahab27/01/2015 16:10:52
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fullsizerender.jpgThanks Roger, Looks good. Have just worked out that the cutting end can be rotated. You can get the inserts from BRW as someone earlier said, you need to register on the website to get shipping to the UK (not easy) and they are expensive. They look like the Aloris equivalent so should last a while.

As you have shown me your Roger , I can show you mine.

ps let me know if you ever want to get rid of the DSG.

Nick

capnahab27/01/2015 16:12:12
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sorry, yours....

Emgee27/01/2015 17:02:30
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Hi Nick

Is that an old shaving brush on the suds can ?

Emgee

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