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Martin Evans Southern U class - "Ashford"

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Graham Fry09/05/2012 10:12:24
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Could anybody help me locate a set of drawings for Martin Evans "Ashford". I have tried the usual sources, Reeves, Blackgates and My Hobby Store but this one seems to have slipped through the net. I do have copies of construction Article in ME but would very much like to locate drawings.

David Clark 109/05/2012 11:51:44
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Hi There

The drawings are LO956.

They are available from MyHobbyStore price £67.50 + £1.98 postage.

regards David

Barry Q09/05/2012 17:06:19
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what does this "thread" (if that is the correct terminology) refer to? It doesn't appear as an answer to another topic/question.

And whilst we are talking about Drawings. You are advertising MyHobbyStore as a supplier, and you being the editor I have no problem with that. However can you guarantee that these are fit for purpose.

That being drawings that have been updated with all known mistakes corrected and the drawings having the issue letter/number updated accordingly as per correct drawing office practise. We are after all purchasing a product that involves a profit for someone (I have no problem with that either) so it should be as correct as possible.


David Clark 109/05/2012 19:09:40
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Hi There

What a silly question.
Of course I can't guarantee they are fit for purpose.

We have many thousands of drawings available.
It would take a lifetime or probably a 1,000 lifetimes to build all the models and check the drawings.
In most cases the prototype model would have been built from the plan and any corrections found would have been added. Then they are not updated again.

regards David

Barry Q09/05/2012 20:55:11
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Sorry for my "silly" question. It obviously hit a raw nerve. That was not my intention but if you think it was "silly" then so be it.

By saying that:-
"In most cases the prototype model would have been built from the plan and any corrections found would have been added. Then they are not updated again"
you have implied that they are fit for purpose. So what's your problem?

It is good news that "any corrections found would have been added". Unfortunately in my very limited experience I suspect that is not the case. I will not say any more - that may be silly. cheeky


Stub Mandrel09/05/2012 21:46:16
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I think people have unreasonable expectations. Get a designer to produce drawings for something with a fractuion of the complexity of a model locomotive under an ISO9000 accredited process with a detailed change log and review process. You may get what you want, but at at least £300 a day expect to pay far more than £67 a shot for a set of drawings. In my job I've paid five-figure sums for the design of paths and boardwalks a lot simpler than a loco. Yet even these have to be reviewed and modified by the contractor.

Model engineers don't make designs to become rich. Most do it because, fo some, there is great satisfaction in seeing your ideas realised (and enhanced) by others. Others just see it as a challenge. A very few make a living, but not a fortune. I've spoken to a major supplier and even a prolific designer can only expect to supplement a pension.

In short, ME drawings should be seen as a service and a guide, not full production spec.

It isn't unreasonable to expect the custodians of the drawings to keep a list of notified errata, but to go beyond that is unreasonable, as only a full build exactly to drawings by a professional could get near guaranteeing accuracy.

My tuppenceworth...


Mike Wainwright10/05/2012 06:47:49
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You still did not answer the first question. What are these drawings for and why was it posted as a new thread. Should this be part of another where somebody has asked about the availibility of drawings.


PS Will it ever stop raining.

Eric Cox10/05/2012 08:55:05
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I have a similar concern to Mike, which is the sale of drawings that contain errors which could have been corrected by proof reading rather than building the model.

I have a commercially available book on basic steam engines that instructs the reader to fit a 6mm Dia. shaft into a 5mm Dia. hole.

Similarly an article in a recent edition of ME states "turn the 5mm Dia. and thread M4" .

If I was spending £67 on drawings I would expect them to be free of obvious errors.

Graham Fry10/05/2012 09:25:36
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Many thanks David, have ordered plans and await delivery.

Sorry if I posted question in wrong place, but at the time thought it to be correct. My apologies to other Forum users if they thought it not worthy of a new "thread".

Graham F

David Clark 110/05/2012 09:52:16
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Hi There

Graham Fry asked about Ashford drawings so I posted a price on his thread.

I did not realise he was a new member so his post did not appear to you but did to me as a moderator.

I have now approved the post and it should appear above.

Graham, you did nothing wrong.

regards David

David Palmer 928/05/2012 15:41:28
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Not drawings but does anyone have a copy of the original articles by Martin Evans for the Firefly. I believe these were published in the early 1960s

Bob Clare27/11/2012 00:06:20
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At the risk of causing a further upset, can anyone suggest the best person to contact regarding the drawings for the series of articles which Martin Evans wrote for Model Engineer in the '70s.(vol 137)?

My reason for asking is that I am about to attempt a re-build of a freelance Victorian model of a 5" 4-2-2. The original design is mid-way between a Dean, a Midland "spinner" and a converted Great Eastern oil burner.

My main interest in the project is that the original has, so far as I can find out, a reversing system which though known on stationary engines is not recorded as being fitted either to a full size locomotive or any known model. What is missing entirely is a cab and .a tender. So I'm looking for drawings of various modelled 5" 4-2-2's so as to choose appropriate designs for the project.

I'm not aware that anyone has drawings for the GER oil burner but if anyone knows better then that would be useful.

Thanks for any help you can give (or any ideas about other sources of drawings).

Bob Clare

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