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John Haine09/04/2021 09:20:56
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It wasn't in any of Lautard's books, he just offered to sell you the drawings. It might be possible to ask Ms. Lautard if she has a favourite international charity (e.f. Red Cross, MSF, UNICEF) to which you could make a contribution?

DMB09/04/2021 10:44:46
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JasonB,

I have all of GLs books and confirm that drawings not in any of them.

Clever design requiring only one pattern to produce 2 identical iron castings, obviously helps keep cost down. They are machined slightly differently to serve their different purposes. The long flat part is machined both sides and slotted the same. The end "lump" is bored the same diameter to accept a PGMS bar common to both bores. Then the variations start.....

One casting acts as a base to be fixed to your baseboard and the other becomes the upright, supporting the toolholder block of square section cast iron.

I acquired the 2 iron castings many years ago from a fellow club member after purchasing the drawings from Guy. I am unable to say why the situation appears to have since changed - you will have to do your own research. Mine has got very near completion but suspended for no other reason than I wanted to also build Harold Hall's jig and write about progress in my clubs newsletter. HH s jig doesn't use castings, only stock metric sizes of steel bar but I have 'got away' with 2" sq instead of 50mm and 1 1/4" sq instead of 32mm Refer to ME No. 4662, for comments on Sources of metric bar.

I see no reason why the castings couldn't be done in Ali at home by someone who has the gear to do so. I understand that there is little difference between CI and Ali, as regards vibration damping but perhaps somebody knows better?

John

jon hill 309/04/2021 11:03:47
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Hi Sam

If wiring the money is a problem with your bank open up a Transferwise account, foreign exchange fees are minimal as it is set up to match people who already have the currencies necessary.

By the way I think Transferwise are now called Wise.

John Baron09/04/2021 11:12:09
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Hi Guys,

I do believe the "Tinker" was originally designed in the UK ! I believe that I've seen drawings in ME or MEM quite some years ago. There was another very similar TCG published as well, the "Raymac" By an Irish writer ! The two are very similar. I used to have some castings from a bloke in Fens, I suspect they have been lost in a move back on the 1990's.

Sam Longley 109/04/2021 11:51:58
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Posted by DMB on 09/04/2021 10:44:46:

I acquired the 2 iron castings many years ago from a fellow club member after purchasing the drawings from Guy.

Do you still have the drawings & would they be for sale if you are in the Uk?

That may sort my problem if you no longer need them

Sam L

Sam Longley 109/04/2021 11:53:04
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Posted by jon hill 3 on 09/04/2021 11:03:47:

Hi Sam

If wiring the money is a problem with your bank open up a Transferwise account, foreign exchange fees are minimal as it is set up to match people who already have the currencies necessary.

By the way I think Transferwise are now called Wise.

Apparently the problem is Guy's end & they will not give me an account to pay into as it costs them money. According to the Nat West site, my end will do it FOC

Edited By Sam Longley 1 on 09/04/2021 11:54:40

geoff warner 109/04/2021 12:56:07
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hi all

just thought i would enclose my pics of the tinker grinder which i bought and the mini tinker grinder which i made from the drawings via mr lautard i dont use either as i have the harold hall design tool grinder that i do on occasion use

note just realised i do not have an album so no pics.

geoff

Michael Gilligan09/04/2021 13:48:15
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Posted by Sam Longley 1 on 09/04/2021 07:17:54:

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I wanted to pay by electronic transfer but have been told by his wife that she will not give me the IBAN account details for me to pay into. Understandable, I suppose, as she does not know if I am genuine. She says her bank will charge her a lot to accept the payment electronically.

Is that true & is payment by cheque from me, with a 25 day clearance time the other end, the only way I can do this? Will that then cost me a lot to get it cleared my end?

[…]

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Still struggling to comprehend all this ^^^ but it’s none of my business

... For the aforementioned PayPal route, you would only need her eMail address.

[ and an appropriate level of trust between you ]

MichaelG.

John Alexander Stewart09/04/2021 14:03:31
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Wandering a little bit here.

I had a Tinker once - made by a Frank McLean, who wrote in Live Steam and has a book of his articles available from Village Press. He was the first tool designer and machinist for Lee Valley, some here might recognize the company.

I actually never used it - shortly after I purchased it, I had to move around the world (to NZ) for work; lent it and some other tools to a fellow club member who was very short of retirement funds, who subsequently passed away and the contents of his workshop auctioned off to other club members. When I returned, I found the workshop equipment I had lent in other peoples' workshops, and they had paid $$ for it so were not returning it.

Long story short - I built a Worden, 100x better, and I'd think Harold Hall's jigs are equal or better than the Tinker, if you want to use a standard bench grinder as a base.

Mike Crossfield09/04/2021 15:25:58
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Mr Tinker produced two versions of the Tinker. The standard, and the smaller and slightly simpler “Mini Tinker”. 20-odd years ago I bought a set of plans for the Mini Tinker. I can’t for the life of me remember how I got them - at the time I was travelling to and fro to the US quite a lot, so It’s possible I bought them there. Anyway, my plans changed and I never used them. I came across them during a recent tidy-up, so if anyone is interested I’d be happy to sell them. They consist of 1 x A4 sheet of Construction Notes, 1 x A4 sheet of Operating Notes, I x A4 Materials list, and 5 x A3 sheet of drawings.send me a PM if you’re interested.

Mike

Sam Longley 109/04/2021 21:35:32
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Posted by Mike Crossfield on 09/04/2021 15:25:58:

Mr Tinker produced two versions of the Tinker. The standard, and the smaller and slightly simpler “Mini Tinker”. 20-odd years ago I bought a set of plans for the Mini Tinker. I can’t for the life of me remember how I got them - at the time I was travelling to and fro to the US quite a lot, so It’s possible I bought them there. Anyway, my plans changed and I never used them. I came across them during a recent tidy-up, so if anyone is interested I’d be happy to sell them. They consist of 1 x A4 sheet of Construction Notes, 1 x A4 sheet of Operating Notes, I x A4 Materials list, and 5 x A3 sheet of drawings.send me a PM if you’re interested.

Mike

Unfortunately I wanted the full version as reports that the mini falls short of a decent range & job.

I have just had an email from them & they refuse to give me an account No. Even if I telephone them for it. So there is no way i can transfer the money. Seems a bit weird, but clearly they do not want my custom. So unless I can source a second hand set somewhere I will have to drop the idea

Oldiron09/04/2021 21:58:47
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Sam, do you not have any contacts in the USA that could get the plans for you. Maybe even a member on the forum from the US may be willing to help. I used to get my brother to get me items from the US and ship them for me but unfortuanatly he passed away last year so I cannot help.

regards

Old School09/04/2021 22:10:52
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Their site says they will take Western Union, it’s not expensive if you do it by bank transfer. I know it’s not popular but I use it to buy model car parts from Russia with no problems they won’t take anything else.

Michael Gilligan09/04/2021 22:33:00
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Please ignore my earlier suggestion that PayPal might be convenient

... I’ve just had my first browse around the Lautard site

MichaelG.

DMB09/04/2021 22:55:11
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I was made redundant about 25 years ago (gosh, how time flies!) from Link Miles simulators and it was while I worked for them that I bought currency notes from my bank and posted them to Guy in payment for a full set of drawings and notes. Taking a small risk but it worked and I thought that was the cheapest, easiest method at the time.

Adam Harris who runs Camdenbooks in Somerset, only sold Guys books, not drawings. I have all Guys books and the drawings are not in the books. I also don't recall the drawings in Model Engineer. The books are or were, avail. second hand on Ebay.

I have not quite completed the jig and I have no plans to dispose of the drawings when I have finished making the jig.

Anyone who tries to make one to the drawings, beware. Not saying there is an error but it's got me foxed, the square toolholder appears to have been drawn incorrectly. I cannot be certain. When I restart work on it, that's the last major item to make and I will do it how I think it was intended to be machined, then I'll know for certain! If I'm wrong, I have a work-around, to avoid a scrapper.

Hope to report my findings in due course but it's likely to be sometime as I'm giving priority finishing Harold Hall's MK2 jig, so I can write my notes on it for the Brighton club's newsletter. Lots of other Roundtoits to do as well. Busy retirement!

BTW, not yet found an error in HHs drawings and incredible detail down to steel specs and details of each commercial screws, sizes.

Edited By DMB on 09/04/2021 23:01:39

Edited By DMB on 09/04/2021 23:02:23

Bazyle10/04/2021 00:04:13
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I have the castings and plans somewhere bought at our club auction when nobody else was dumb enough to show interest. Frankly I'd be ashamed to charge for fully printed copies of the poorly presented plans let alone a zero expense electronic copy. When I got them I did a bit of internet searching and found somewhere a picture that showed the advisable modification of making the horizontal micrometer adjustment work like the Quorn.

If you need drawings to make such a simple device without being able to understand enough about it not to need drawings then you could be in trouble as there are some design flaws from what I remember that prevent accuracy being maintained.

As per your request I won't mention the name of almost any other jig that would be a better alternative.

Dr. MC Black10/04/2021 00:42:05
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Posted by DMB on 09/04/2021 22:55:11:

Adam Harris who runs Camdenbooks in Somerset, only sold Guys books, not drawings. I have all Guys books and the drawings are not in the books. I also don't recall the drawings in Model Engineer. The books are or were, avail. second hand on Ebay.

The books are available if one searches second-hand book sites but it seems that one would be VERY lucky to be able to buy them at less than £100 each.

MC Black

Hopper10/04/2021 03:01:12
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Send the money by Western Union. It's easy, cheap, reliable and secure.

If the Lautards won't give you their bank details, you can have Western Union send the money to thier local WU office or agent, of which there are myriad, and Lautard can collect it in Canadian cash right there.

You can do it from home on your computer with credit card, or go to your local Western Union office or agent, which you can look up online. They don't charge a transfer fee like banks do for cheques etc, but make their money on the exchange rate, which is still quite reasonable, especially on a small amount like $50 or whatever.

It's the main way that millions of foreign workers worldwide send money home to their families and bank accounts so nothing exotic or risky. And WU have been in the business since cowboys on ponies delivered the goods.

JasonB10/04/2021 07:01:55
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Regarding the fact they say they are not set up for paypal which may be why Michael has revoked his earlier comment. It is likely they are not able to issue a Paypal invoice but provided they have a paypal account you can pay into it provided you have the e-mail address they use for it and are obviously willing. They used to take a fee but don't remember having to do that last time I used it just before Xmas

Also as I said earlier and others have too they take Western union so you could use that, WU take a fee from you but not the person collecting the money.

The other option is to offer to transfer more money to cover their bank costs so they are not out of pocket.

Michael Gilligan10/04/2021 07:57:05
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Posted by JasonB on 10/04/2021 07:01:55:

Regarding the fact they say they are not set up for paypal which may be why Michael has revoked his earlier comment. It is likely they are not able to issue a Paypal invoice but provided they have a paypal account you can pay into it provided you have the e-mail address they use for it and are obviously willing.

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To be blunt, Jason ... Having looked around the site : It was the lack of willingness that disturbed me.

I originally suggested using the ‘friends and family’ route because that can be free of charges on both sides.

... it does require a level of trust though.

MichaelG.

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Ref. https://www.paypal.com/uk/smarthelp/article/how-do-i-send-money-faq1684

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 10/04/2021 07:59:56

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