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John Rutzen05/08/2022 20:45:17
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Hi, I need some paint for my Jeannie Deans which is getting to that stage. Snag is that Phoenix can't send to Northern Ireland so i need an alternative colour. Any ideas? There are two of us here making LNWR engines so we are both a bit stuck.

Simon Collier05/08/2022 23:11:10
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It’s a frustrating problem. I don’t understand why Phoenix can’t/won’t ship paint, seemingly, beyond the mainland UK.

Speedy Builder506/08/2022 07:02:12
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Get Pheonix to ship to a friend in the Uk, then to N.Ireland ? Its similar to crossing into Europe from the UK.

John Rutzen06/08/2022 07:07:37
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Phoenix will ship to anywhere else in the world.

Paul Lousick06/08/2022 08:48:18
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The problem with shipping paint is possibly because it is flammable and is classed as dangerous goods and cannot be sent by normal courier service or thru the the mail. Special couriers will deliver it for you but are expensive.

I live in Sydney and ordered some special glue from Melbourne (2x1 litre tins). A normal courier service is less than $20 but was charged more than $90 because it was flammable.

Edited By Paul Lousick on 06/08/2022 08:50:04

Weary06/08/2022 08:55:19
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I suggest that you post the same question on Model Engineering Clearing House, (under 'General Chat' heading) which has amongst the membership a number of owners and builders of LNWR locomotives. The originator and previous owner of Phoenix Paints is also an active member so may spot your posting and have some suggestions.



John Rutzen06/08/2022 09:30:56
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Hi Weary, I've done that , thanks for the suggestion.

SillyOldDuffer06/08/2022 12:16:19
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Posted by Speedy Builder5 on 06/08/2022 07:02:12:

Get Pheonix to ship to a friend in the Uk, then to N.Ireland ? Its similar to crossing into Europe from the UK.

Phoenix are a UK company.

Looks like there are two problems:

  • Paint being a dangerous product requires particular packaging, which depends on the rules applied by the sending and receiving countries.
  • Since Brexit it is unclear which trade rules apply in Northern Ireland. The province is a special case; to avoid creating a hard border between Eire and Ulster, a soft border was set up between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK. Confusing because Northern Ireland is both inside and outside the European Union whilst also being both inside and outside the UK. For trade purposes It's more EU than UK.

The Phoenix website says 'Northern Ireland - Currently we are waiting to find out costs etc. of shipping to NI ' I think the problem is the courier doesn't know how much it will cost yet. There's advice on the government website, but it doesn't help much. For example, does paint require a Custom's Declaration or not?

Not sure what to suggest. Collect in person. Find a friend travelling to NI from the UK who is prepared to carry it. Have it couriered to an address in Eire and collect from there, or have them courier it to NI. (Other than arranging and paying for it I don't think there's a problem sending paint from the UK to Eire and then from Eire to NI.)



John Rutzen06/08/2022 12:20:43
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Yes Dave, it's not very easy is it? I don't want to get someone into trouble carrying something that is classed as dangerous goods even if it's just a tin of paint. The odd thing is that you can order all sorts of similar things on Amazon and sometimes you just get them delivered no problem, other times it comes up with a message that it can't be delivered to this address.

Weary08/08/2022 19:16:19
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Hello John,

Your enquiry has been answered here on Model Engineering Clearing House.


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