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Tom Senior Milling Machine Damaged in Transport

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Mike Clements03/06/2022 19:48:54
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Your thoughts on where to go from here. I'm concerned about damage to the lead screw as it is currently resting on the table. Still waiting for a full damage assessment. Had anyone had a similar case?

Mike Clements03/06/2022 19:55:38
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Mike Clements04/06/2022 11:40:02
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The top picture is how it arrived, the bottom three are how it left. Needless to say I'm pretty upset by how the transport company has handled this - no communication prior to it arriving at its destination clearly having fallen. Note the box of tooling smashed and haphazardly repacked.

DC31k04/06/2022 11:47:12
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You do not say whether you are the sender or receiver.

In any case, the condition in which it left is deplorable. The pallet is too flimsy, the machine is not fixed to the pallet and a single orange strap (that has been knotted together) is in no way adequate to secure it. The sender is more to blame than the transport company. If I were the driver and was presented with that as a load, I would refuse it.

Hopper04/06/2022 12:07:35
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One strap like that is so not right.

Pete Rimmer04/06/2022 12:20:01
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Yep 100% wrong type of pallet that load was destined to fail (or fall). The edges of the base are mid-span on the slats and there's no bottom stringers so when the truck went round any bend the machine starts to lean and slats will bend then snap. If it has a sheet of ply on top, even 1/2" ply, it would probably have been ok. Using a blue pallet would have been even better. The ratchet strap is inadequate and it should have been around the slat the machine was sitting on not the outboard one which would pull out the nails.

The driver should have refused it as an unstable load.

jimmy b04/06/2022 12:29:56
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I agree with the poor preparation for transport.

I'd doubt that there would be zny compensation offered, as the before photos are far from ideal. As a minimum, I'd expect it to be bolted and properly strapped to a better pallet.

Jim

Tony Pratt 104/06/2022 12:33:38
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Is the OP buyer or seller? Either way unacceptable preparation for delivery

Tony

Robert Atkinson 204/06/2022 12:40:30
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Lucky it didn't fall through the soft side of the lorry and hit another vehicle.

Hopper04/06/2022 12:43:05
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Appears to be on a blue pallet on arrival. The original must have disintegrated in transit. Sad. Looks pretty traumatic.

Who did the packing job, the seller or the transport company?

Mark Rand04/06/2022 13:59:02
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I wonder if it fell or was it laid down?

Dave Halford04/06/2022 14:05:46
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Should have used the double Euro pallet in the third photo and laid it down. The first driver knows it's top heavy, and lashes accordingly but the warehouse in the middle does not, which is where it all went wrong.

Not the first time this has happened.

not done it yet04/06/2022 14:36:47
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No question about the p. poor preparation for transportation. That is as far as I will comment at the moment.

noel shelley04/06/2022 14:47:54
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Like many cabinet mounted machines it is horribly top heavy - a nightmare to move or transport ! I dismantled my centec to transport, into it's major components, this gave me manhandleable lumps - and safety !

I fancy this will end in tears ! Noel.

DiogenesII04/06/2022 15:19:50
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Who organised the transportation - the seller or the recipient?

..apologies; just realised that's pretty much what Hopper asked..

Edited By DiogenesII on 04/06/2022 15:21:00

not done it yet04/06/2022 15:56:36
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Posted by DiogenesII on 04/06/2022 15:19:50:

Who organised the transportation - the seller or the recipient?

..apologies; just realised that's pretty much what Hopper asked..

Edited By DiogenesII on 04/06/2022 15:21:00

Does that really matter?

Clive Brown 104/06/2022 16:04:12
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Posted by not done it yet on 04/06/2022 15:56:3

Does that really matter?

I would say that it does. That person/ organisation has the contract with the carrier and therefore the legal right to discuss responsibility and possible compensation, although we don't actually know if the transportation arose from a sale or just a re-location of the machine.

Separately, some effort seems to have been made to support the machine in the van. Strange how delivery seems to involve a pallet differing from the original one

jimmy b04/06/2022 16:55:10
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Given that Mike is asking for advice/opinion, who packed it does matter.

Jim

Robert Butler04/06/2022 18:08:46
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The second and third images show the mill on the weak pallet perhaps in the vendors garage/home workshop (block walls).

The fourth image shows the mill in the vehicle on the original weak pallet.

The first image shows the debris on a more appropriate pallet presumably repackaged following collapse of the original pallet and now located in the recipients garage/home workshop (brick walls).

Defective packaging by sender, carriers exclude damage caused by defective packaging which seems to be the likely cause.

Robert Butler

 

Edited By Robert Butler on 04/06/2022 18:14:12

old mart04/06/2022 19:58:34
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The Tom Senior which was left to the museum in a will was taken to pieces and then strapped to 3 pallets, that way we didn't have the high centre of gravity to worry about. We did the same with the Atlas lathe, on 1 pallet while its stand was easy to handle.

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