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Derek Lane07/04/2022 12:33:30
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Added to the below is the additional problem for owners without a garage recharging an EV parked on the road outside a residence (cables across the pavement?).

This is even worse for inner-city dwellers where one can rarely park outside one’s own home.
On top of that the collective governments take something like 60% of the fuel dollar on taxes. Who and how are the going to make up for that enormous shortfall.
Plus no one talks about the inability of recycling lithium batteries.
 
I don’t think a lot of people realise we still need a reliable source of power.
 
Electric Vehicles.
 
The utility companies have thus far had little to say about the alarming cost projections to operate electric vehicles (EVs) or the increased rates that they will be required to charge their customers. It is not just the total amount of electricity required, but the transmission lines and fast charging capacity that must be built at existing filling stations. Neither wind nor solar can support any of it. Electric vehicles will never become the mainstream of transportation!
 
In the first part of our exposé on the problems with electric vehicles (EVs), we showed that they were too expensive, too unreliable, rely on materials mined in China and other unfriendly countries and require more electricity than the nation can afford. In this second part, we address other factors that will make any sensible reader avoid EVs like the plague.
 
EV Charging Insanity.
 
1. In order to match the 2,000 cars that a typical filling station can service in a busy 12 hours, an EV charging station would require 600, 50-watt chargers at an estimated cost of $24 million and a supply of 30 megawatts of power from the grid. That is enough to power 20,000 homes. No one likely thinks about the fact that it can take 30 minutes to 8 hours to recharge a vehicle between empty or just topping off. What are the drivers doing during that time?
 
2. ICSC-Canada board member New Zealand-based consulting engineer Bryan Leyland describes why installing electric car charging stations in a city is impractical :
 
“If you’ve got cars coming into a petrol station, they would stay for an average of five minutes. If you’ve got cars coming into an electric charging station, they would be at least 30 minutes, possibly an hour, but let’s say its 30 minutes. So that’s six times the surface area to park the cars while they’re being charged. So, multiply every petrol station in a city by six. Where are you going to find the place to put them?”
 
3. The government of the United Kingdom is already starting to plan for power shortages caused by the charging of thousands of EVs. Starting in June 2022, the government will restrict the time of day you can charge your EV battery. To do this, they will employ smart meters that are programmed to automatically switch off EV charging in peak times to avoid potential blackouts.

Derek Lane07/04/2022 12:34:37
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4. In particular, the latest UK chargers will be pre-set to not function during 9-hours of peak loads, from 8 am to 11 am (3-hours), and 4 pm to 10 pm (6-hours). Unbelievably, the UK technology decides when and if an EV can be charged, and even allows EV batteries to be drained into the UK grid if required. Imagine charging your car all night only to discover in the morning that your battery is flat since the state took the power back. Better keep your gas-powered car as a reliable and immediately available backup! While EV charging will be an attractive source of revenue generation for the government, American citizens will be up in arms.
Used Car Market.
 
5. The average used EV will need a new battery before an owner can sell it, pricing them well above used internal combustion cars. The average age of an American car on the road is 12 years. A 12-year-old EV will be on its third battery. A Tesla battery typically costs $10,000 so there will not be many 12-year-old EVs on the road. Good luck trying to sell your used green fairy tale electric car!
 
6. Tuomas Katainen, an enterprising Finish Tesla owner, had an imaginative solution to the battery replacement problem—he blew up his car! New York City-based Insider magazine reported (December 27, 2021) :
 
“The shop told him the faulty battery needed to be replaced, at a cost of about $22,000. In addition to the hefty fee, the work would need to be authorized by Tesla. Rather than shell out half the cost of a new Tesla to fix an old one, Katainen decided to do something different. The demolition experts from the YouTube channel Pommijätkät (Bomb Dudes) strapped 66 pounds of high explosives to the car and surrounded the area with slow-motion cameras. The 14 hotdog-shaped charges erupt into a blinding ball of fire, sending a massive shockwave rippling out from the car. The videos of the explosion have a combined 5 million views.”
 
7. We understand that the standard Tesla warranty does not cover “damage resulting from intentional actions,” like blowing the car up for a YouTube video.
 
Derek Lane07/04/2022 12:36:15
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EVs Per Block In Your Neighborhood.
 
8. A home charging system for a Tesla requires a 75-amp service. The average house is equipped with 100-amp service. On most suburban streets the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three houses with a single Tesla. For half the homes on your block to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly overloaded.
 
Batteries.
 
9. Although the modern lithium-ion battery is four times better than the old lead-acid battery, gasoline holds 80 times the energy density. The great lithium battery in your cell phone weighs less than an ounce while the Tesla battery weighs 1,000 pounds. And what do we get for this huge cost and weight? We get a car that is far less convenient and less useful than cars powered by internal combustion engines. Bryan Leyland explained why :
 
“When the Model T came out, it was a dramatic improvement on the horse and cart. The electric car is a step backward into the equivalence of an ordinary car with a tiny petrol tank that takes half an hour to fill. It offers nothing in the way of convenience or extra facilities.”
 
Our Conclusion.
 
10. The electric automobile will always be around in a niche market likely never exceeding 10% of the cars on the road. All automobile manufacturers are investing in their output and all will be disappointed in their sales. Perhaps they know this and will manufacture just what they know they can sell..

 
 
Graham Titman07/04/2022 12:41:11
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Derek that is why they want everyone to have smart meters

Edited By Graham Titman on 07/04/2022 12:41:35

Ian Parkin07/04/2022 12:49:35
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Derek

point 1 should be 50 Kwatt not watt

JA07/04/2022 12:50:48
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Derek

Is most of your posting a copy of an article? If so, it would be nice to have a reference.

The comments, which make a lot of sense, are more than interesting, in fact a bit disturbing.

My immediate thought, since I am not going to buy an EV, is smart meters. If variable tariff charges come in electricity could be cheap during the day.

JA

Posted before seeing Graham's comment.

 

Edited By JA on 07/04/2022 12:52:33

mgnbuk07/04/2022 13:11:17
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So much there that is just wrong.

Reads like an American article written by antis looking for excuses - and quoting incorrect UK "facts" to back up their viewpoint.

My brother's 6 year old Leaf should be halfway through its second battery according to the "facts" above - strange that the original item still shows 97% of manufactured capacity & range remains the same as when the car was new ? And the OE battery on that car is guaranteed for 8 years (which seems to be the usual warranty period for the high voltage battery in other makes as well) & will be replaced if capacity drops below 75% within that time.

Home charge points are not rapid chargers - a 100A supply will run the standard 7Kw home charge point comfortably from a 32A breaker.

Not suggesting that EVs or the current charging infrastructure are perfect, but most of the quoted "article" assertions are either suspect of just wrong.

Nigel B.

Hopper07/04/2022 13:18:11
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Standardised quick-change battery packs will be the way to go. Already doing it with heavy trucks in Australia. Car pulls into a service station and leaves a few minutes later with a newly installed fully charged battery pack. Flat battery pack is left behind to be recharged by wind or solar etc. Motorcycle manufacturers have already worked out an industry standard battery pack. Car makers will need to do the same.

Or do what some American YouTubers have done. Take the dead Tesla, rip out the electrics and install a honkin' great Cummins diesel engine with overclocked injectors so they can drive past cyclists and blow black smoke all over them. Gotta love 'Merka.

HOWARDT07/04/2022 13:23:07
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Read recently the environmental cost of actually building cars in the first place. It said it took around 50,000 for a petrol/ diesel car as against around 90,000 for an electric vehicle to get to net zero. I should think that at those sort of mileages in the UK you would be near to the end of life batteries in terms of years of operation.

HOWARDT07/04/2022 13:24:41
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Missed out ‘miles’.

Gerard O'Toole07/04/2022 13:26:49
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It is actually printed by these nutters in America

Who We Are - America Out Loud

Make your own judgement on the veracity of any facts they publish

Hopper07/04/2022 13:31:18
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Posted by JA on 07/04/2022 12:50:48:

Derek

Is most of your posting a copy of an article? If so, it would be nice to have a reference.

Its an unsigned "guest column" on a site called Hoboken411. https://hoboken411.com/archives/141312

No mention of the author's name or qualifications or expertise in the field, and no references as to where the information comes from. Possibly "did his own research" on Google. Other columns on the site include "Fact Checking is the New Propaganda Ministry" and anti-mandatory-vax articles.

So yeah probably is a joke.

Edited By Hopper on 07/04/2022 13:38:58

Hopper07/04/2022 13:40:22
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Posted by Gerard O'Toole on 07/04/2022 13:26:49:

It is actually printed by these nutters in America

Who We Are - America Out Loud

Make your own judgement on the veracity of any facts they publish

But who is Malcolm? Does he not have a surname? Or are we all such good buddies it's first name basis only?

Harry Wilkes07/04/2022 13:40:50
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Posted by Gerard O'Toole on 07/04/2022 13:26:49:

It is actually printed by these nutters in America

Who We Are - America Out Loud

Make your own judgement on the veracity of any facts they publish

Nutters or not it's going to happen EV's batteries and energy companies using smart meters to change different rates during the day ! The tariff my company was on when I finished work the rate around 'teatime' led us to stop the afternoon shift

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Frances IoM07/04/2022 13:51:06
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in the 1980s I wrote the software to control individual lights (fluorescent tubes) in open plan office by users at desks under such lights - originally seen as just something to avoid complaints with energy saving a small bonus - in fact I was told it paid for itself with a couple of years as it the energy saved was not just the lights but office air conditioning which was pushing the electricity usage into the penal price range designed to avoid overloading the supply - hadn't occurred to the company occupying the office as provision of lighting etc was the landlords concern - software allowed for major reorganisation of office space over a single night - luckily as developer my graveyard shifts were just for standby during initial commissioning in case of unforeseen funnies.

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Edited By Frances IoM on 07/04/2022 13:52:32

J Hancock07/04/2022 13:52:29
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All charged by the eight 'new' nuclear reactors we are going to build and have running by 2030.

Ten if Hinkley C is not included plus the 25GW of additional windmills ...............

Any bets ?

Hopper07/04/2022 13:52:29
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According to Elon Musk on Twitter, Tesla car batteries are supposed to technically last for 300,000 to 500,000 miles, which is 1,500 battery cycles. That's between 22 and 37 years for the average car driver, who, according to the Department of Transportation, drives about 13,500 miles per year. (Source: Energysage.com)

Hey if it was on Twitter it must be true.

Samsaranda07/04/2022 14:19:16
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Different tariffs at peak times of the day are the stated intentions of Utility companies, this can only be achieved by using Smart meters, so far I have refused to have one fitted despite constant emails and phonecalls from my energy supplier, I am sure that at some time in the future a statute will appear requiring us all to succumb or be cut off from energy suppliers. Electricity is only going to get more expensive as somehow the extra infrastructure that will be needed will have to be paid for, we are already paying for the rollout of the smart meters and at the last estimate each one fitted cost in excess of £100, financed by us the customers. I have solar panels on my roof and battery storage so I can mitigate some of the costs of electricity by using appliances when the sun shines, not looking forward to the grid being able to rob from my batteries when the grid runs short, and yes this issue has already been debated and approved as a way to go when we are all connected via smart meters. I am not intending to purchase an EV because at 75 years of age now my driving days will probably be over when there are no more internal combustion engined vehicles left on our roads. My view of the future is not rosy, hopefully I am wrong, but the past track record of our country is not good when adapting to change. Dave W

Martin Connelly07/04/2022 14:39:52
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I think the intention of governments is to get electric cars and the required infrastructure established and hope that battery technology improves at a reasonable rate. An improved battery would weigh a lot less than the current ones, charge quickly, hold a bigger charge, last a long time, use something less dangerous than lithium and be easily recycled. I don't intend to hold my breath waiting for all these features to come true. This would still leave the problem of the supply capacity.

Martin C

Ian McVickers07/04/2022 15:04:58
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My Hyundai ioniq battery is guaranteed for 8 years to still be above 80% capacity I think. I have a low cost charging rate between 2am and 6am. Different companies offer different charge rates and times. I have a 7KW charge point fitted which also allows me to charge directly from solar panels if they are generating enough power. This is a good option rather than selling it back to the grid for 6ppkw.

The only issue as has been said is the network availability. Went to Fort William at the weekend, planned route and charge points. and found all of the new Chargeplace Scotland points in An Aird car park not working. The older Evolt charge point worked only on ac charge, dc fast charge not working. Not surprisingly all of the 6 or so Tesla chargers were working perfectly.

Ended up using the chargers at the Nevis Range while we were there. 50ppkw wasnt cheap though.

Edited By Ian McVickers on 07/04/2022 15:09:21

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