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pgk pgk16/02/2022 11:19:59
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From Wikipedia - **LINK**
The great storm of 1703
400 windmills destroyed - many with the sails turning so fast against the brakes that they caught fire.
In London alone, approximately 2,000 massive chimney stacks were blown down.
About 1,500 seamen killed, particularly on the Goodwin Sands.
Lots more stats worth reading.

Great storm of 1987 - **LINK**
Strongest gust 137mph
15 million trees. I recall flying over Kent a few days later to a sea of felled stuff.
At Clayton, West Sussex, one of the village's recently restored windmills, Jill, sustained severe damage to its mechanisms and caught fire during the storm. The mill's brakes had been applied prior to the storm, but the high winds were able to rotate the sails, creating friction which set the antique timbers on fire. Members of the Jack and Jill Windmills Society were able to put the fire out, carrying water up the hill to douse the flames.

So it’s true: Jack and Jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water

pgk

Ady116/02/2022 11:23:11
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It was global warming and climate change what done it guv. On my life.

Hopper16/02/2022 11:38:01
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I wonder how many people got killed by the 2,000 falling massive chimney stacks?

We get tropical cyclones here in North Queensland every year with winds of similar speeds and more as the 1987 storm. Modern houses are built to stand up to it, but the old timber cottages fly apart like match sticks. And I have seen mile after mile of banana trees (plants actually) snapped off at knee height as if a machine went through and chopped them down. Last time our house was hit by the edge of a cyclone it sounded like the world's biggest jet engine screaming at us. A few big trees went down but as most around us are native species they simply lost their leaves and the the trunks and branches stood there unworried. An inherited design feature I would guess. But our house was covered in green confetti of shredded leaves on the windward walls. A unique look for sure.

The do have some very large wind turbines a few miles inland from us in the highlands, where the cyclones can go through after they hit land. I am guessing they turn the variable pitch blades to a zero degree setting and so they would not be spinning at all in the wind. They did have one throw a blade once, but not in a cyclone. I think local lads using it for target practice with their pig hunting rifles may have been something to do with it.

Derek Lane16/02/2022 11:39:44
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The storm of 1987 also took out the glass of a greenhouse (Mine) I found glass embedded into a wooden fence behind it which was only 3ft away and it had pierced right through

Posted by Ady1 on 16/02/2022 11:23:11:

It was global warming and climate change what done it guv. On my life.

Are you sure it was not the weatherdevil

pgk pgk16/02/2022 12:01:09
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About 10yrs ago I read one guy's description of a Jamaican hurricane. Winds powerful enough that the rain cut holes through leaves. At first it was machine gun sounds as the coffee cherries splattered against his house, then big squishy sounds as the oranges hammered in followed by mortar bombs from the horizontal coconuts. They hunkered down for 3 days saving torch batteries because of course all the power was out and windows were boarded up and his dogs running around trying to kill all the vermin that had sought shelter. That was just a grade 3
I've seen the scars caused by hurricane Gilbert (grade 5) where it ripped the topsoil away to bedrock - 8 years later and still nothing growing on the narrow main track it scoured over the Blue Mountain.

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Bazyle16/02/2022 12:22:59
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In '87 the top half of a fir tree broke off and landed across another tree inches from my bedroom. But there was another storm in about Feb '88 which brought down my neighbour's ash tree into my garden. I assume in the September gale the ground was still dry and firm from summer but after winter rain it left the tree vulnerable despite less windage with no leaves.

duncan webster16/02/2022 12:40:16
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The concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere has gone up by a lot. Scientists tell us that this will cause a global temperature rise, and consequential increase in extreme weather events. We are getting more and bigger storms, however, those who really know (but have no relevant qualifications) tell us that CO2 has nothing to do with it. Does this go along with covid denial, grassy knoll and Elvis lives?

Martin King 216/02/2022 13:36:14
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Hi All,

I used to live in Tortola, BVI for 13 years working as a yacht charter captain. In 1982 we were hit by hurricane Klaus

with winds of 110-130 knots.

watching concrete docks heaving up and down about a meter with large boats attached was pretty scary, we were crawling on our bellies to retie lines where we could.

watching moored sailboats out in the harbour unravel their furled headsails and set off nose down with a heavy mooring attached until they reached the shallows on the other side, then either breaking free to end up in the mangroves or happily ride it out at their new mooring!

my enduring memory was the sound, it seemed impossible that it could get any louder and then it did.

coconut’s caused several injuries, one coming in and killing a dog cowering next to its owner.

cheers Martin

Ady116/02/2022 14:19:00
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CO2 levels are at historic lows in the grand scheme of things

currently at 40ppm, been as high as 1000? 2000ppm? in the past

But governments hand out huge chunks of welfare cash to the King Canute Science Industry so you can't blame them for producing a never ending flow of "The End Is Nigh!!!" literature for our clergy

"Repent ye all! Or global warming god will smite thee down!"

Ho hum

The more things change...the more they stay the same

(note:Got zero issues with us reducing pollution btw)

Edited By Ady1 on 16/02/2022 14:31:35

pgk pgk16/02/2022 14:39:23
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Posted by Ady1 on 16/02/2022 14:19:00:

CO2 levels are at historic lows in the grand scheme of things

currently at 40ppm, been as high as 1000? 2000ppm? in the past

..

A quick check indicates 419.88ppm yesterday not 40ppm

Ady116/02/2022 15:09:05
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Missed a zero, four one hundredths of one penny is how I remember it (The percentage)

Edited By Ady1 on 16/02/2022 15:28:01

pgk pgk16/02/2022 17:03:55
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Local wind speed gusting to 55mph has caused power cut - just spent the last half hour running up the genny and daisy-chaining cable reels. Wife and I were worried we'd have to end up talking to each other!
Bore-hole pump. freezers and fridges (4), rat-mat and internet router in priority then some table lamps so we don't trip over the wires...

pgk

old mart16/02/2022 21:15:39
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Every one knows the 1987 storm was caused by that weather forecaster, Micky Fin.

Sam Longley 116/02/2022 22:14:44
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I was in Peterhead one year, on my round Uk trip, sheltering from bad weather.The harbour master told me that is son was out in the N sea in the force 10 storm which is average 49-55 Kts.About 60 MPH plus gusts with seas up to 40 feet, in an oil rig supply vessel. I asked why they were not in port, as they could not do much supply work in that weather. He replied that vessel's contract meant that they only got paid when at sea, so the owners insisted that they stayed out.

At that time a 35 ft yacht, like me, also single handed, came in, having come through the Pentland Firth in the same weather. The sailor rested for about 15 hours then left for the Netherlands. By then it had dropped to F9.

Not sure if they would be out today thoughsad

Ady116/02/2022 23:07:06
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A force 10 isn't too bad if you're only holding station and going into the wind and swell, the biggest problem is trying to get some sleep as the ship pitches up and down like a never ending roller coaster ride

The sea is interesting at force 10, it turns into a world of cremola foam because the surface water gets ripped up

The guys who really impressed me were the fishermen who just kept on going places as their little boats got flung about like corks

The Atlantic never really produced anything huge, it's just not big enough, but some of those Pacific swells were truly massive and you could lose sight of a 150,000 tonner in the troughs

Edited By Ady1 on 16/02/2022 23:15:29

Danny M2Z17/02/2022 05:44:37
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I have always wondered about the effect of solar activity on our climate, as one does not hear much about it nowadays.

The Maunder Minimum was real, and it was documented by the scientists of the time whom had acquired tools to observe the sun. Maunder Minimum Note that this was before the industrial revolution.

The 11 year solar cycle is readily observed by studying historical weather data. (I first noticed this when studying local weather cycles to plan which months were best for model glider competitions)

There is still a lot that we that we do not understand or can control, although I realise that limiting the release of certain gasses into the atmosphere is not a good thing either.

Apart from carbon dioxide, methane has a pretty bad reputation.

* danny *

MikeK17/02/2022 20:43:16
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In every meeting of the Great Conspiracy they threaten me if I reveal the truth. Stick to your guns, Science Deniers!

V8Eng17/02/2022 21:03:30
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I see that a Wind Turbine collapsed in Wales during very high winds this week.

Linky:

Wind Turbine

Edited By V8Eng on 17/02/2022 21:04:39

bricky17/02/2022 21:19:03
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On the first of January 1976 a storm passed through lincolnshire and my barometer fell to 27 inches,the winds were bad and caused severe damage even breaking a telegraph pole in the builders yard in half.We stayed up until 2 in the morning incase the stack fell in,as it was I lost some heavy ridge tile which broke slates on the way down.Three houses at the top of the street were stripped of slates on one side.A local park lost 2000 trees.I met a RAF metorolist who was on duty when the 87 storm was imminent and he told me that they warned all bases to secure the aircraft as severe damage was likely,so the information given to Mr Fish was incorrect and his reported it as given.

Frank

Ady117/02/2022 23:11:32
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Posted by V8Eng on 17/02/2022 21:03:30:

I see that a Wind Turbine collapsed in Wales during very high winds this week.

i get the impression that they are producing turbines at the very edge of the stresses envelope and at quite a breakneck rate of development

All well and good if they can ensure perfect quality control but any errors will get punished hard

I suppose it's a bit like early aircraft development, the current scale they have achieved is pretty amazing but scaling up is the fastest way to maximise returns

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