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Dividing head for lathe - Myford vs BS0/1?

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not done it yet06/03/2021 06:48:44
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16DP x 100 teeth is over 7 inches outside diameter.

Only 6 3/8” by my calculator.🙂

a lot of fine passes.

DP16 gears would only need one cut/tooth I would have thought (at least for cast iron).

Hopper06/03/2021 08:44:34
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Posted by not done it yet on 06/03/2021 06:48:44:

16DP x 100 teeth is over 7 inches outside diameter.

Only 6 3/8” by my calculator.🙂

Oh well, a doddle then. laugh

Dave Halford06/03/2021 11:27:54
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Posted by not done it yet on 06/03/2021 06:48:44:

16DP x 100 teeth is over 7 inches outside diameter.

Only 6 3/8” by my calculator.🙂

a lot of fine passes.

DP16 gears would only need one cut/tooth I would have thought (at least for cast iron).

Thats true, I've done a 16dp 90 tooth iron gear on a BS0 with the Centec, but had to use the horizontal arbor in the vertical head to get the height. Even ignoring work holding the blank and cutter already eat up a bit more than 4" of daylight between centres.

You occasionally see a Jones and Shipman 1mt divider on ebay, they don't go for much and look like the Alan Timmins head except the dividing plate is direct mounted to the shaft and would need modding to take advantage of the worm wheel gearing. It should fit the rear toolpost slot.

Bazyle06/03/2021 11:51:31
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You might want to have a rethink about whether a dividing head is what you really need. Try thinking how someone would have done this fifty years ago, even on a smaller lathe.
eg after turning gear blank use the usual strip of paper round a wooden disc on the rear of the mandrel, or a 50 tooth changewheel indexing peaks and troughs to align and drill 100 holes a little inside the rim of the blank. Then mount the gear cutter between centres and the blank on a vertical stub arbor on an extension plate if necessary on the cross slide and index with the holes you previously made. Sure the teeth have the curvature of the cutter but if that is a problem repeat shimmed at different heights. Save £200.

Roderick Jenkins06/03/2021 12:50:07
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As we give our advice to the OP it is, perhaps, worth bearing in mind that, as I understand it, the equipment he has available is similar to this:

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(image from Lathes.co.uk)

The OP will have a Mentor milling head rather than a Myford/Rishton but they are similar. The obvious solution, to me, is to mount the gear cutter on an arbor in the milling head and the gear blank on a dividing head on the cross slide. I can envisage 2 problems. The first is that there may not be enough travel on the cross slide to withdraw the gear blank far enough away from the gear cutter. The second is that the gear blank will have to be mounted on an arbor and will need clearance between the cutter and the dividing head chuck. This means that the blank arbor will need tailstock support. I don't think (could be wrong!) that the Myford or GHT types have sufficient clearance to the support arm for the size of gear the OP wishes to cut. The illustration above shows a milling table attached to the cross slide. Perhaps a longer table could be arranged that will accommodate a tailstock for the dividing head.

Stay well everyone,

Rod

Diy Addict06/03/2021 21:28:45
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You've understood perfectly Rod. I waited around a year for a Myford/Rishton head to turn up, then this Mentor popped up so I jumped on it. So my setup is virtually identical, though somehow the photo looks much more appealing.

The 100 tooth is something of an aspiration. I'm looking to cut 56 teeth at 16DP in the short term.

Also, I'm not set on any particular method, so I've found this thread particularly useful - thanks to all.

Once the mill is bolted to the lathe, I'll try various configurations and post sny results here.

All the best, Paul

Hopper07/03/2021 05:05:13
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Ah well tha6t puts a different slant on things. It looks like the pictured type of milling head would be the way to go for cutting larger gears like DP16 at 50 to 100 teeth. You could hold the blank on an arbor in the lathe chuck and use change gears for indexing for many tooth counts. But might be a bit limited if you have the QC gearbox and limited numbers of change gears to play with.

In which case, back to finding a BSO type dividing head that would fit in the daylight under the milling head while bolted to the cross slide. Or even one of those rotary tables that can be mounted sideways and fitted with index plates. That would be a much more solid set up than trying to cut large diameter gears on the Myford dividing head and vertical column perched up on a rising block. They really are pretty flimsy and best suited for cutting small model gears etc.

Martin Kyte07/03/2021 08:31:05
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The mill spindle is a fixed distance from the lathe spindle as I read it so that rules out the headstock division for gear cutting if the cutter is to be held in the mill.

regards Martin

Michael Gilligan07/03/2021 08:56:06
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Posted by Martin Kyte on 07/03/2021 08:31:05:

The mill spindle is a fixed distance from the lathe spindle as I read it so that rules out the headstock division for gear cutting if the cutter is to be held in the mill.

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True ... but it doesn’t rule out the possibility of using the mill as a power source for a cutter-spindle mounted on a vertical slide; which might be a tidy [and powerful] alternative to the traditional ‘overhead’.

MichaelG.

Martin Kyte07/03/2021 10:06:26
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Well yes but you do then have to get a cutter spindle and a headstock dividing head rather than just a crosslide dividing head.

regards Martin

Michael Gilligan07/03/2021 12:46:55
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There is [quite obviously] no single ‘best’ way of working ... or we wouldn’t be having this interesting discussion.

I would, however, like to share this video, which demonstrates using the Schaublin 102 with a cutter spindle on the vertical slide, and the dividing done in the headstock.

**LINK**

https://youtu.be/u0Ngmzqf2xg

MichaelG.

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