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Robert Atkinson 211/12/2020 22:14:19
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Another great bit of UK weapon control. Had an email from neighborhood watch about a weapons surrender scheme. I clicked the link to find that apparently it will be illegal have a pea shooter in your own home next year. I didn't even know that it's already illegal to have one in public, make or sell one (no one told ebay)
Yes it's a kids toy, but it meets the description here
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"the weapon sometimes known as a ‘blowpipe’ or ‘blow gun’, being a hollow tube out of which hard pellets or darts are shot by the use of breath;"
This one, www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pea-Shooter/264782839125 even comes with ammunition! About the only valid reason for having one would be if you were a wildlife vet and were using it to administer drugs.
The new law "Offensive Weapons Act 2019" **LINK**
Now makes it illegal to own, even in private, a bunch of "weapons" that previously it was only illegal to carry in public, sell, buy or make. I can understand and agree with keeping weapons off the street and out of the hands of criminals but this seems to just be a way of making conviction easier as they don't have to prove how you got it, just having it (there are some exemptions like antiques or work use) is an offence that you can be locked up for.
So if you are in the UK and have any unusual knives, batons, swords, throwing stars etc. you should have a look at this:
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If you have a at least three peashooters you bought before 2018 they are supposed to give you £14 each for them.

Robert G8RPI.

bernard towers11/12/2020 22:37:10
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Good job they don't come to the county where I live!!

Peter Spink11/12/2020 22:46:44
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I despair on this issue.

In our kitchen we have many 'offensive weapons' from knives to rolling pins.

In my workshop I have many 'offensive weapons' from chisels to hammers.

In my garden shed I have many 'offensive weapons' from spades to garden forks.

On my drive we have 'offensive weapons' (cars)

A weapon only becomes 'offensive' when it is used by someone with offensive tendencies.

That is the issue we need to address.

 

 

Edited By Peter Spink on 11/12/2020 22:49:21

Derek Lane11/12/2020 22:56:25
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So buying a copper pipe will also be illigal as you can blow a dart out of itdevilcheekycheekycheeky

Ady111/12/2020 23:04:39
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...and yet they still manage to kill each other with amazing regularity...

Covid must have slowed the knife brigade down but it's not been much good for saving lives

Pete.11/12/2020 23:20:10
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Posted by bernard towers on 11/12/2020 22:37:10:

Good job they don't come to the county where I live!!

Is there a lot of pea shooter related crime?

V8Eng11/12/2020 23:20:57
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Deleted. V8.

Edited By V8Eng on 11/12/2020 23:23:25

Martin Connelly12/12/2020 00:03:05
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Is a pea a hard pellet or dart? Where does it fall in the scale between diamond and talc? What is the definition of hard. This has clearly been written by someone who does not really know what hard is. When I was at school BIC pen tubes and rice were commonly used to get round the "no pea shooters in school" rules.

Martin C

Kiwi Bloke12/12/2020 04:41:06
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Ignorant bureaucrats rule the world. Imbecile presidents, etc., are largely irrelevant...

Speedy Builder512/12/2020 07:20:37
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So, under the definition of a dangerous weapon,Section (n),

A starter cord on a mower being a weight on one end of a cord and a hand grip on the other. is now illegal.

BOB BLACKSHAW12/12/2020 08:34:34
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A rolled up newspaper is a good weapon that can give a injury.

Bob

Guy Lamb12/12/2020 09:18:50
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I for one fully support the ban on these vile weapons, does no one recall the spate bank hold ups in 'The Smoke' a few years ago? Hardened criminal said to be "packing shooters" robbed banks, building societies and chip shops * (the latter probably to stock up with ammunition).

Guy

* Explanation for Southerners: Fish and Chip shops in the north sell mushy pees, a delicacy made from dried legumes. Sometimes mistaken for guacamole.

pgk pgk12/12/2020 09:43:30
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Never forget the dangers of batter pudding hurlers:

pgk
Mike Poole12/12/2020 10:01:06
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The first electricians workshop I was in as an apprentice overlooked the unloading area for coiled steel for the press shop, the lorry drivers would sit in the cab waiting to be unloaded, one of the electricians had a long Tufnol tube that made a very accurate blow pipe and he put it to good effect firing small balls of dum dum at the drives cabs. A BIC biro tube and a mouthful of Pearl barley made an excellent rapid fire pea shooter, of course the mess on the floor soon resulted in them being banned from our school.

Mike

larry phelan 112/12/2020 10:33:17
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I well remember using a length of 1/2" copper tube to shoot pieces of chalk across the with of the machine shop to catch the old charghand on the ear ! He never worked out where they came from, since we were "too far away" to be suspect. So yes,they should be banned, along with rolled up papers, skipping ropes, skateboards ect. The list is endless, and dont even mention workshops !! screwdrivers, hammers, even drills [cordless, of course ] !

May the Powers protect us from ourselves and each other cheeky

Howard Lewis12/12/2020 10:38:08
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Having carried out a risk assessment, it seems likely that cups, saucers, and plates should be made illegal, since they can be used as missiles.

Most certainly kettles or saucepans since they could be used to hurl hot liquids at victims.

Come to think of it, chairs are pretty dangerous!

And I forgot sharpened pencils or pens as weapons

As dear old Rudi Mischetlager used to say, "Common sense isn't that common"

Howard

Edited By Howard Lewis on 12/12/2020 10:38:44

SillyOldDuffer12/12/2020 10:44:57
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Is this fake news? Robert's first link dates back to 1988, in which a statutory instrument bans a whole bunch of manufactured weapons like knuckledusters, death stars, sword-sticks, butterfly knives, and hand-claws. Surely a good thing?

The blowpipe in question isn't a children's toy, or a random bit of copper pipe. It's the adult weapon. The boundary between toy and weapon isn't crystal clear. A pea-shooter propelling curare tipped darts is a lethal weapon, whereas a South American blowpipe loaded with peas isn't. And, as we know, it's not difficult to extemporise weapons, for example by weighting a stick with a stone. There are many ordinary domestic items that make good weapons. To deal with this, courts consider intent as well as possession.

Robert's second link is to the Offensive Weapons Act of 2019. It extends and clarifies, adding defences as well as tightening up on ownership. For example, it's a defence to own a sword for recognised religious or ceremonial purposes.

In the UK the Crown Prosecution Service test alleged offences and evidence before prosecuting to ensure the Court will take it seriously. Intent is important, and it can be challenged all the way back to the original: what did the government intend, what did MP's understand the intent to be, and did the police interpret the intent correctly?

Anyone expecting their home to be raided by Armed Police with a Warrant to look for illegal kiddie pea-shooters is in for a disappointment. Even more disappointed if a martyr to freedom expects his day in court and a heavy prison sentence.

Police raiding a home workshop manufacturing blow-pipes for sale to drug dealers from plumbing accessories is a different story!

The British system (Scots and English) has a series of checks and balances to protect citizens from misinterpreted and over-zealously applied law. Not perfect, but I'm not aware British prisons are overflowing with pensioners doing time for pea-shooter offences!

Dave

ChrisH12/12/2020 10:54:57
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My dear old Dad, long since passed away, got a pea shooter and some dried peas to 'discourage' the seagulls from nesting on his chimney stack. He didn't want to kill them, just to encourage them to find somewhere else to nest.

It didn't work very well, the seagulls stayed; I did suggest an air rifle might be more effective but as I say, he didn't want to kill them. What he would have made of todays nutty world gone mad I dread to think.

Chris

Mick B112/12/2020 12:02:19
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Posted by Martin Connelly on 12/12/2020 00:03:05:

Is a pea a hard pellet or dart? Where does it fall in the scale between diamond and talc? What is the definition of hard. This has clearly been written by someone who does not really know what hard is. When I was at school BIC pen tubes and rice were commonly used to get round the "no pea shooters in school" rules.

Martin C

Ah. When I was at school we found pearl barley - when you could get it - was ballistically superior to rice.

I foresee a qualifying kinetic energy clause akin to that for airguns. Some long blowpipes can reach 400 ft./sec with a hard clay ball - definitely capable of causing injury.

Robert Atkinson 212/12/2020 12:09:10
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SOD.

The 1988 law banned carrying (posseson in pubilc) and a few other things. subsequent amendments added schools and places of education (seems our law makers don't think things out), selling etc.
Previously you could have many of the items on your own property, possesion in private was not an offence and it would be hard to prove when or how you aquired the item.

The new law makes possesion in private an offence. The descriptions do seem a bit odd and cover a lot of items.
A pea shooter clearly meets the definition of a blowpipe. It can fire ittems other than peas, hard or otherwise.
Not fake news at all. Poory thought out law - probably but that seems to be the trend these days, the fundamental laws arn't being enforced so make up new ones so it looks like we are tough on crime.

My worry is that these will have more and more impact on our hobbies, look at the EPP regulations!

Robert G8RPI.

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