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Michael Gilligan25/11/2020 10:29:09
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Trains being ‘vehicles’ too ... This is worth a look: **LINK**

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/stories-55044198

MichaelG.

pgk pgk25/11/2020 10:36:57
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Posted by J Hancock on 25/11/2020 09:22:19:

And it ALL has to be in place before 2030.

No it doesn't. Average age of cars UK is <8yrs. It has to be started now but 2038+...

Howi

"the future is not electric but hydrogen. "


The future is fusion - and always will be... Helium4 futures anyone?

Clogs

make the cars for less than 1/2 the price a Petrol engined car is now and we'll buy a new EV now....
 

He's a thought. Gov will spend more than £100Billion on HS2 and has spent masses on Covid. There's currently 38million cars UK. So for £100Billion gov could give every car owner more than £2.5K towards a new car. And it wouldn't even cost them anything because it's your debt smiley
 

National debt is over 2 trillion with a population of 67million so nearly £30K/head of pupulation. Or considering there's 20million households a mere £100K per household... just 50% more on that and everyone gets a free EV - tabloid math

   

J Hancock

I reckon we can keep this going 'til 2030..........at least.

 

I Suspect many original authors will have dropped by the wayside or live in urns on the mantlepiece by then...

pgk

 

Edited By pgk pgk on 25/11/2020 10:39:26

clogs25/11/2020 10:43:26
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MIke G,

sadly ur link to the train didn't work.......damm BBC.....

found it on........Posative News.com......something unfortunatley the BEEB has forgotten all about...

remember Tomrrows World, Raymond Baxter....eh....

J Hancock25/11/2020 14:01:53
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Living in an urn !

I distinctly remember Fred Dibnah's words, " They're not turning me into two-penneth of fag-ash "

Steviegtr03/12/2020 23:12:04
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Found this tonight on youtube. Interesting watch. They only charge 24p per kw too.

Electric car service station.

Steve.

not done it yet04/12/2020 06:33:24
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Steve,

Perhaps you should subscribe to the ‘Fully Charged’ channel. Then you would not have to hunt for it.

Yep, given another ten years and the whole perceived ‘problem’ with charging BEVs will probably be only a distant memory, even for the current naysayers.

It is still cheaper and often more convenient, if one can recharge at home, mind. By a factor of five times, if one connects to one of the taraffs which only charge around 5p/kWh during the night. (Btw, I would not want to be charged by the kW - some of those stations can charge with power at up to 350kW!🙂 .) At 24p/kW that could suggest it might cost £84 just to plug in! (more fake ammunition for the ‘anti-brigade&rsquo. Using the correct units for energy would be good, particularly from someone claiming a lifetime’s work in the electricity field.🙂

A poster, on another forum, reported receiving a free vend of 68kWh during that preview event. It had not yet been opened to the public at that point. That saved him £16 at those prices - but he could have charged at home for as little as £3.60. Not bad for sufficient energy to travel 250-300 miles.🙂 What would it cost, for fuel, for you to drive 300 miles in your ‘gas guzzlers’?

pgk pgk04/12/2020 07:32:56
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You need to compare apples on petrol/electricity for cars.

Ignore the special electricity prices as loss leaders/night rates etc. Normal price around 16p/KWH with 5% tax, say for simplicity 15p.KWH or £15 for a 300mile journey. Petrol less tax is circa £2.75/gallon UK but being kind still looking at 7 galls or £19.25 for 300 miles. Gov will get their tax revenues back on either system eventually.

So it still makes electric cars cheaper to fuel if home charging but running costs, home charge point installation, depreciation, service costs etc complicate the calculation as does the occassional need to charge en route at higher costs. In other words overall the costs will come out the same when it's all shaken out, battery longevity improved and prices drop....

pgk

Steviegtr04/12/2020 08:33:53
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Posted by pgk pgk on 04/12/2020 07:32:56:

You need to compare apples on petrol/electricity for cars.

Ignore the special electricity prices as loss leaders/night rates etc. Normal price around 16p/KWH with 5% tax, say for simplicity 15p.KWH or £15 for a 300mile journey. Petrol less tax is circa £2.75/gallon UK but being kind still looking at 7 galls or £19.25 for 300 miles. Gov will get their tax revenues back on either system eventually.

So it still makes electric cars cheaper to fuel if home charging but running costs, home charge point installation, depreciation, service costs etc complicate the calculation as does the occassional need to charge en route at higher costs. In other words overall the costs will come out the same when it's all shaken out, battery longevity improved and prices drop....

pgk

Not sure where the less tax comes in. Everyone pays tax. The 99 octane i use is around £1.15 per litre Using 4.5 litres per gallon then it costs me £36.22 for 7 gallons. . I need 4 gallons per 100 miles in the guzzler. Which means it has cost me a grand total of £15.75 this year with the darn covid.

Been using the van this year.

NDIY. To do 300 miles it would cost me . £62.10. In the van probably around £37.80. Dear stuff.

Steve.

pgk pgk04/12/2020 10:59:23
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Posted by Steviegtr on 04/12/2020 08:33:53:

Not sure where the less tax comes in. Everyone pays tax. The 99 octane i use is around £1.15 per litre Using 4.5 litres per gallon then it costs me £36.22 for 7 gallons. . I need 4 gallons per 100 miles in the guzzler. Which means it has cost me a grand total of £15.75 this year with the darn covid.

Been using the van this year.

NDIY. To do 300 miles it would cost me . £62.10. In the van probably around £37.80. Dear stuff.

Steve.

It was a quick off the cuff calculation of relative costs ignoring the tax components of each fuel on the grounds that GOV will come up with ways to recover said taxes once EV's are common. Likely road pricing by some bizarre and unwieldy method instead of something simple like a monthly guesstimate of usage adjusted annually by odometer readings....

pgk

Steviegtr04/12/2020 11:02:38
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Is there going to be stockpiles of petrol / diesel vehicles soon, as people will not dare to buy new because of the loss they will encounter.

Or will this just balance itself out over time.

Steve.

pgk pgk04/12/2020 11:20:49
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I'd guess that as we get closer to 'only new being electric' there will be a road pricing scheme started to recover taxes for EV's as well as fossil plus pricing to make fossil cost way more to run - with all the cries of how unfair it all is

pgk

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