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Alan Donovan16/10/2020 04:42:39
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Hi. - A tea room question..

I note from the Ryanair website video that social distancing (re Covid 19) is to be maintained pre and post flight, but there is no specific mention of social distancing actually being maintained while seated within the aircraft.

I am curious to know if ‘in flight’ social distancing is maintained during the flight (which means that passenger numbers are substantially under capacity) Can anybody advise?

Best regards. A.

Edited By Alan Donovan on 16/10/2020 04:46:27

Speedy Builder516/10/2020 05:01:35
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I think that the co-pilot is now seated towards the rear of the plane.

Alan Charleston16/10/2020 05:35:20
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Hi,

I get Emails from a crowd called Innocentive every so often. They ask for solutions to problems for organisations and pay for any ideas which are used. A couple of days ago I got the following:

" This Challenge is looking for an original layout design of commercial airplane cabins mixing both passengers and cargo in such a way that social distancing between passengers is guaranteed through the positioning of air cargo as barriers between passengers. "

So I guess one way of getting social distancing is to have a crate replacing every second seat. Not a bad idea really as there is a shortage of air freight capacity as a lot of it went in the hold of passenger aircraft.

On the bright side there won't be any disputes over who gets to use the armrests as crates tend not to have arms.

Regards,

Alan

Michael Gilligan16/10/2020 07:00:14
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Given that the air in every modern passenger plane is continually recirculated during flight ... the very concept of Social Distancing seems to be a non-starter.

My working hypothesis is that all available virus will be near-equally distributed amongst all occupants.

Is there any reasonable evidence to disprove this ?

MichaelG.

pgk pgk16/10/2020 07:14:28
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Posted by Michael Gilligan on 16/10/2020 07:00:14:

Given that the air in every modern passenger plane is continually recirculated during flight ... the very concept of Social Distancing seems to be a non-starter.

My working hypothesis is that all available virus will be near-equally distributed amongst all occupants.

Is there any reasonable evidence to disprove this ?

MichaelG.

I posit that this depends on the capacity of the cabin compressor system: enough air change/ventilation would reduce viral load.The obvious alternatives would be things like providing effective filtering masks or individual filtered air systems but all such options require investment and the usual safety tests.

pgk

Frances IoM16/10/2020 07:31:39
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look at https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/media-releases and follow up their experience as they give the travel history of those entering NZ and are found to be covid positive - there does appear to be some connection as they follow up seating arrangement.

Edited By Frances IoM on 16/10/2020 07:32:06

Steviegtr16/10/2020 08:04:57
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When we booked with Jet 2 some time ago for a flight next April , the seating available to pre order were. Left 3 seats , 2 out of 3 available. Right 3 seats 1 available. Giving 3 out of 6 on each row. Not sure if this has changed.

Steve.

Ady116/10/2020 08:23:50
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I would get the proper flu about every 4-5 years in my job as it spread through the general population but this thing is like the measles, the entire population gets it in 12 to 18 months if they don't pull the plug on society

So IMO it's a superspreader version

Martin Cargill16/10/2020 08:48:37
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I'm just back from Turkey (currently self isolating) The Jet2 flight on the way out was full with not a spare seat on the plane........

Bazyle16/10/2020 08:51:16
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Cabin air flows from front to back so you can seat people by age and vulnerability. Overweight people should walk to their destination.

Weary16/10/2020 08:57:47
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I travelled on British Airways twice during September, London - Milan.

On both occasions every seat was occupied. Masks obligatory except when eating or drinking. We could not leave seats at any time (i.e. to go to toilets or move around) without permission of cabin-crew. We were 'boarded' un 'un-boarded' in groups of rows to reduce congestion on the aircraft.

Phil

Michael Gilligan16/10/2020 09:29:34
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This is dated March 2005 but does give a little encouragement: **LINK**

https://www.ehstoday.com/industrial-hygiene/article/21912062/simulation-explores-spread-of-virus-in-an-airplane

My ‘working hypothesis’ however, remains as stated

MichaelG.

Cornish Jack16/10/2020 10:00:57
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The following link might be helpful **LINK**

but the contributors are no more qualified, medically, than your average Joe Public.

rgds

Bill

blowlamp16/10/2020 10:08:58
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Just a bit of info from the UK Government website.

Stay safe, be kind. hug 2hug

cv19 report.jpg

Mike Poole16/10/2020 10:11:02
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Luckily my wife won’t fly and as I have retired I won’t be making any work related flights. My wife has never been a happy flier and since the children were born she has refused. We have explored Europe by car since which is quite pleasant if you balance driving with nice overnight stops en route. Motoring may get more popular while this situation persists.

Mike

Edited By Mike Poole on 16/10/2020 10:11:51

CuP Alloys 116/10/2020 10:21:39
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Just got back from Mallorca using Ryanair both ways. Despite about 30% capacity there was no social distancing immediately prior to boarding, on board or upon disembarking. We were able to change seats.

Despite the mandatory wearing of masks at all times, the purchase of a drink or sandwich negates this!

The extra travel documentation required (for track and trace) is examined on the outbound flight because it is checked at Palma. No document= no entry = potential problem for Ryanair (?)

The extra documentation is not checked leaving Mallorca. It is not checked at Manchester. No potential problem for the airline!

There are still the hardy, brave and invincible ones traveling who defy any mandatory regulations. They look as if they would deck anyone who challenges that invincibility. They go unchallenged.

Want to stay safe?

It's all down to you.

Thanks for asking, yes we enjoyed our break despite now being stuck in the house for another 10 days and awaiting food and wine deliveries. We are planning a return for Christmas and New Year. It will definitely not be with Ryanair and we will keep ourselves safe.. No one else will.

Didn't we hear that the filters on an aircraft air-conditioning system were capable of removing a virus from the atmosphere?

Ifthat is the case, why do Ryanair no longer have price lists or issue receipts? Cost cutting?

Keith

Alan Donovan16/10/2020 12:15:28
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Hello again.

Thank you all for your views and input to my question, a very interesting read.

Best regards to all & stay safe.

Alan.

ChrisB16/10/2020 12:25:52
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Posted by Michael Gilligan on 16/10/2020 07:00:14:

Given that the air in every modern passenger plane is continually recirculated during flight ... the very concept of Social Distancing seems to be a non-starter.

My working hypothesis is that all available virus will be near-equally distributed amongst all occupants.

Is there any reasonable evidence to disprove this ?

MichaelG.

The chances of contracting the virus through recirculated air is very slim if not next to impossible. The cabin air distribution system circulates air from the top of the cabin through riser ducts above your head and is extracted at floor level from at the lower sidewall panels. The air is then routed into a mixer unit where it is filtered through a HEPA filter and mixed with outside conditioned air. That said, this does not mean that if the person sitting next to you has covid and sneezes into your face you will not catch the virus! But most probably you will be better off if you route a flex pipe from the overhead gasper into your mouth and breath directly the recirculated air!

Michael Gilligan16/10/2020 12:41:05
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You are, of course, perfectly entitled to express your opinion, Chris ... but I can’t see it as a specific response to my question, so I’m not sure why you quoted me.

MichaelG.

ChrisB16/10/2020 13:07:43
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What I meant to say is that recirculated air on an airplane should not have any effect on the social distancing concept as it does not contribute to the spread of the virus.

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