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Tony Pratt 128/09/2020 11:42:18
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I've got a 3" Abwood vice on my mill & it's a decent tool but am tempted by a Kurt clone as it's got so much more capacity, obviously the quality is a bit of a gamble.

As an aside I did actually use a genuine Kurt vice in industry & it was a tremendous bit of kit, but it was brand new at the time so not abused.

Tony

JasonB28/09/2020 11:47:23
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For those that would want to hammer their handles the same style of vice that Blue Healer is looking at can be had with all the spheroids needed for an extra £20 or so for an SG Iron bodied version. Maybe it's the 90% of buyers who don't want to pay the extra who complain when they bust the bargain basement the vice.

But hopefully the lighter nature of these mills means they use far smaller cutters so should not need the vice hammering closed unlike a big horizontal with a slab cutter would.

Neil Wyatt28/09/2020 11:49:19
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Posted by Circlip on 27/09/2020 12:50:52:

Can't see how "C of C" has been contravened

That's because the contravention was edited out.

Neil

Vic28/09/2020 12:13:58
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They bought a new Bison vice where I used to work that looked like the old Abwood. They made a mistake and bought the 6” version and it was massive and too heavy to lift! Luckily they swapped it for the much more manageable 4” version. Not cheap though.

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old mart28/09/2020 13:49:00
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_igp2549.jpg_igp2547.jpg_igp2545.jpg_igp2544.jpgThat ARC 5" vise which I bought is a copy of the Kurt, not in the same league for quality, but at 15% of the price what would you expect. It benifits from the Stevenson spherical improvement which does help to minimise the jaw lifting. The first Bison 6512 type 100mm vise came with the drill mill, and I was extremely lucky to get another complete with a swivel base in unused condition for 20% of the list price. The two Bisons make a useful pair, although they are of different ages, the height is matched within 0.0005". On one, I have removed the rear lug to allow more Y axis movement on the mills, but have made a bolt on lug for when the vise is used lengthways on the mill.

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Blue Heeler28/09/2020 23:29:37
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Posted by Neil Wyatt on 28/09/2020 11:49:19:
Posted by Circlip on 27/09/2020 12:50:52:

Can't see how "C of C" has been contravened

That's because the contravention was edited out.

Neil

Not sure what C of C stands for?

Pero29/09/2020 04:18:53
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Presumably not Chain of Custody or even Commander in Chief.

Ahh. So many acronyms, so few letters in the alphabet!

Something to do with protecting the commercial advertisers I believe.

I'm sure one of the Mods will explain all shortly.

Pero

Blue Heeler29/09/2020 04:20:18
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Posted by Pero on 29/09/2020 04:18:53:

Presumably not Chain of Custody or even Commander in Chief.

Ahh. So many acronyms, so few letters in the alphabet!

Something to do with protecting the commercial advertisers I believe.

I'm sure one of the Mods will explain all shortly.

Pero

Thanks Pero

Blue Heeler29/09/2020 04:27:48
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Set up my old cast iron Carter mill vice well fluxed in a made up jig vice and brought it to glowing red with the oxy in the brick hearth and silver brazed it with 45% silver solder. The solder ran very well into the two splits.

Cooled it off and pickled the flux residue off, cleaned and oiled it all up and put it back together. Not sure how long it will hold (hopefully for good) but it seems like its very strong and everything has lined up and feels as smooth as always.

First time I have silver brazed cast iron.

Michael Gilligan29/09/2020 08:15:10
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Posted by Blue Heeler on 29/09/2020 04:20:18:
Posted by Pero on 29/09/2020 04:18:53:

Presumably not Chain of Custody or even Commander in Chief.

Ahh. So many acronyms, so few letters in the alphabet!

Something to do with protecting the commercial advertisers I believe.

I'm sure one of the Mods will explain all shortly.

Pero

Thanks Pero

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Or you could just click the hyperlinked words Code of Conduct ... on this very page

on the line immediately above the (Add Posting) button

MichaelG.

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Alan Donovan29/09/2020 08:28:43
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Good morning.

In the engineering world, C of C stands for 'Certificate of Conformity'.

Hope that helps.

Alan

Mike Poole29/09/2020 10:36:18
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As Michael explained it is the code of conduct infringement that got the link removed, the condition that people are mostly falling foul of at the moment is linking to unregulated sellers. While this is in part to protect the advertisers who largely fund this site it also protects the users who may take an endorsement of a seller from a post on this forum as a reassurance that it is safe. I know we are all grown up but for many the Internet can be a risky place so it is best to stick to vendors covered by protection enforceable in the UK. Many have been delighted with a direct import bargain but there are many who can only put a disappointment down to experience.

Mike

JasonB29/09/2020 10:46:45
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Just to add to Mike's comment, this particular link was a bit borderline so that is why I went to the trouble of posting the image so at least the thread could continue.

Circlip29/09/2020 10:55:01
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"While this is in part to protect the advertisers who largely fund this site "

Oh dear, the times they are a changing. Can remember, despite numerous complaints of malpractice from users with proven cases, ONE site advertiser was protected vehemently and continued to "Rook" the customers. Some of us have loooooong memories.

Regards Ian

not done it yet29/09/2020 12:50:10
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Posted by Circlip on 29/09/2020 10:55:01:

"While this is in part to protect the advertisers who largely fund this site "

Oh dear, the times they are a changing. Can remember, despite numerous complaints of malpractice from users with proven cases, ONE site advertiser was protected vehemently and continued to "Rook" the customers. Some of us have loooooong memories.

Regards Ian

Poor quality or service is one thing, but with potentially unsafe items (marked ‘china export, not with approved european safety clearance), that is another. Where (UK) legal action cannot be taken for recompense, in the case of any of the above examples, any endorsements by third parties can cost a packet to anyone following that advice.

A good airing of a bonafide complaint about a UK supplier will not do their reputation any good whatsoever. But they can improve, if it is shown the supplier is wanting in any area of supply or support.

Some advertisers on the forum doubtless get better reviews than some others.

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