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Jim Patterson 108/08/2020 10:05:42
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Hello folks, I aquired this milling machine recently which is obviously home built. I am trying to identify as much of it as possible and wondered if anyone could help?

https://photos.app.goo.gl/Ly1rphFePKKzviCG9

Jim Patterson 108/08/2020 12:44:46
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Jim Patterson 108/08/2020 12:45:37
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Tony Pratt 108/08/2020 13:07:57
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Yes looks 'home made' but a lot of work went to it!

Tony

Mick B108/08/2020 13:23:05
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You can have any angle you want, but getting back to dead-square could be a bit of a game... laugh

Michael Gilligan08/08/2020 14:15:50
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I saw the wire, and thought: Nice to find someone using ‘safety’ 110V in the workshop

... Then I saw the mains plug crying 2

angel MichaelG.

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Aside from that ^^^ it looks like it should be lots of fun.

Clive Brown 108/08/2020 14:27:50
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Posted by Michael Gilligan on 08/08/2020 14:15:50:

I saw the wire, and thought: Nice to find someone using ‘safety’ 110V in the workshop

... Then I saw the mains plug crying 2

angel MichaelG.

Isn't it likely to be just "arctic cable" which seems to often come in yellow.

Agree it looks to be a good bit of kit.

Michael Gilligan08/08/2020 15:29:17
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Posted by Clive Brown 1 on 08/08/2020 14:27:50:

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Isn't it likely to be just "arctic cable" which seems to often come in yellow.

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Yes ... but it also comes in Blue, which is generally preferred for Mains Voltage

MichaelG.

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It does get a little complicated though:

https://www.aci.org.uk/news/aci-delivers-winter-warning-arctic-grade-flexibles

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 08/08/2020 15:39:14

Bazyle08/08/2020 17:05:52
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You may have to trawl through the milling machine pages at Lathes but there can't be many small horizontals that were universal (table rotates). Looks a bit smaller than a Tom Senior but bigger than a Pools. I think somethign very similar to the base machine was shown fully restored at the ME show about 10 years ago, in the upper gallery at Sandown.

blowlamp08/08/2020 18:06:09
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It looks similar to a Sharp in concept.

Martin.

Vic08/08/2020 18:47:43
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I’ve got extension leads with both yellow and blue cables. I didn’t know there was any particular convention.

Howard Lewis08/08/2020 18:58:43
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It may be shop made, but it is still useful universal Milling machine.

With all the angular adjustments a mag base, a DTI and some adaptors are going to be necessary accessories!

Howard

Emgee08/08/2020 19:35:09
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Very useful looking machine for milling and gear cutting, did you get the overarm support for the horizontal spindle ?

Emgee

Simon Williams 308/08/2020 19:48:17
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Posted by Vic on 08/08/2020 18:47:43:

I’ve got extension leads with both yellow and blue cables. I didn’t know there was any particular convention.

If you google IEC 60309 the colour of the cable relates to the convention of relating working voltage to the socket cover colour for multi-pin outdoor connectors. Formerly BS4343.

I don't know if there is a formalised connection to the colour of the cable sheath, but having worked extensively on construction sites in the UK I know I'd be thrown off site for presenting extension cables not compliant with the colour convention a la IEC 60309.

We also encountered 24 V AC cable and connectors in a pretty lavender colour.

Rgds Simon

larry phelan 108/08/2020 20:25:17
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Over here it,s 110 volts for all site work--Full stop ! Yellow cable.

Blue is used for non-site work, although 110 v is often used in workshops too.

clogs09/08/2020 06:56:31
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it's getting so even 110volt is a rarity on a lot of sites......

they want battery tools now.......

and why not most of the better brands make excellent equipment......

I'm stuck with some nice Hilti drills (4 at diff sizes) and at times u need a proper powered tool for extreme jobs.....

BUT I'd just love a battery model.......too old now to get my money's worth.....

Although I just bought a Milwaukee 3/8 impact wrench, what a revelation that is.....

Jim Patterson 110/08/2020 14:46:06
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Posted by Emgee on 08/08/2020 19:35:09:

Very useful looking machine for milling and gear cutting, did you get the overarm support for the horizontal spindle ?

Emgee

Perhaps I was a little bit hasty calling it 'home made' It's better than that.

I do have the spindle and support bar for the horizontal mill, all I need to do is wire up a motor and fit a belt, all the pulleys are already there.

Parts of his Tom Senior on ebay looks almost Identical, I wonder if I could fit a Tom Senior head with a quill

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Edited By Jim Patterson 1 on 10/08/2020 14:56:14

SillyOldDuffer10/08/2020 15:08:48
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Posted by Simon Williams 3 on 08/08/2020 19:48:17:
Posted by Vic on 08/08/2020 18:47:43:

I’ve got extension leads with both yellow and blue cables. I didn’t know there was any particular convention.

If you google IEC 60309 the colour of the cable relates to the convention of relating working voltage to the socket cover colour for multi-pin outdoor connectors. Formerly BS4343.

I don't know if there is a formalised connection to the colour of the cable sheath, but having worked extensively on construction sites in the UK I know I'd be thrown off site for presenting extension cables not compliant with the colour convention a la IEC 60309.

We also encountered 24 V AC cable and connectors in a pretty lavender colour.

Rgds Simon

As far as I can find there's no convention or standard in the UK for sheath colour apart from Simon's multi-pin outdoor example.

There's a US house wiring standard where sheath colour relates to conductor size. Same colours as IEC 60309, entirely different meanings.

It appears UK domestic appliance leads can be any colour wanted. Black, White, Grey, Blue, Yellow, Orange, Brown, Red, Stripes, whatever. They can suit the decor! More usefully extension leads could be colour coded to highlight trip hazards, or different colours used to identify ends.

Dave

Jeff Dayman10/08/2020 15:16:25
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One suggestion I would make for the red mill would be to route all electrical cables with some good cable clips every few inches along the top motor mount / pulley enclosure plate, to the back of the machine. Otherwise at some point you will get one or both cables tangled in work, around the spindle, a broken belt, etc.

You probably already know this but endmills mounted in drill chucks as seen on the pics can work loose and jam. If you don't have some already you would be wise to get some collets for whatever taper sockets are fitted in your spindles. If they are R-8, so much the better compared to Morse taper or others. Twist drills in drill chucks are fine, endmills need proper collets for safe accurate ops.

When the spindle is running be sure and keep hands hair and clothing well away from the handwheel at the top, it is a major hazard when turning.

Looks to be a very handy machine.

Nicholas Farr10/08/2020 18:43:59
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Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 10/08/2020 15:08:48:
Posted by Simon Williams 3 on 08/08/2020 19:48:17:
Posted by Vic on 08/08/2020 18:47:43:

I’ve got extension leads with both yellow and blue cables. I didn’t know there was any particular convention.

If you google IEC 60309 the colour of the cable relates to the convention of relating working voltage to the socket cover colour for multi-pin outdoor connectors. Formerly BS4343.

I don't know if there is a formalised connection to the colour of the cable sheath, but having worked extensively on construction sites in the UK I know I'd be thrown off site for presenting extension cables not compliant with the colour convention a la IEC 60309.

We also encountered 24 V AC cable and connectors in a pretty lavender colour.

Rgds Simon

As far as I can find there's no convention or standard in the UK for sheath colour apart from Simon's multi-pin outdoor example.

There's a US house wiring standard where sheath colour relates to conductor size. Same colours as IEC 60309, entirely different meanings.

It appears UK domestic appliance leads can be any colour wanted. Black, White, Grey, Blue, Yellow, Orange, Brown, Red, Stripes, whatever. They can suit the decor! More usefully extension leads could be colour coded to highlight trip hazards, or different colours used to identify ends.

Dave

Hi, I've done work in many industrial places and a few civil engineering sites and unless your 110V gear had the yellow Artic cable and any 240V gear had the blue Artic cable, you wouldn't be allowed to use those items, but of course you wouldn't be allowed to use hand power tools unless they were 110V.

Regards Nick.

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