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Pete Rimmer09/08/2020 12:42:24
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Some people will always resist technological advances. For me, anything that improves ease of use and reduces risk of error is a good thing.

Circlip10/08/2020 12:20:29
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Fully agree but far better to learn the basics BEFORE adding the exotics. First motorised two wheeler was a Vespa, last of four bikes, Moto Guzzi Le Mans. Learned a lot between.

Regards Ian.

Barrie Lever10/08/2020 12:31:02
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Posted by Circlip on 10/08/2020 12:20:29:

Learned a lot between.

Regards Ian.

Ian

Maybe not learned enough!! Still dealing with dodgy Italian electrics.

As a serial owner of Lancia cars and Ducati motorcycles I speak with the voice of experience !!

B.

Circlip11/08/2020 12:42:35
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Yes Barrie, learned that the prince of darkness was alive and well with Magnetic Marshmallow and Bosh only slightly better. Went through the "Mill(er)" saga on the Velo.

Regards Ian.

Bo'sun11/08/2020 13:34:28
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Posted by Barrie Lever on 10/08/2020 12:31:02:
Posted by Circlip on 10/08/2020 12:20:29:

Learned a lot between.

Regards Ian.

Ian

Maybe not learned enough!! Still dealing with dodgy Italian electrics.

As a serial owner of Lancia cars and Ducati motorcycles I speak with the voice of experience !!

Dodgy electrics, if only that was the only aspect of rubbish Italian engineering. Working for an Italian engineering company, realy brought it home.

B.

Nicholas Wheeler 111/08/2020 14:07:57
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Posted by Circlip on 11/08/2020 12:42:35:

Yes Barrie, learned that the prince of darkness was alive and well with Magnetic Marshmallow and Bosh only slightly better. Went through the "Mill(er)" saga on the Velo.

My experiences with Lucas parts on cars is that Lucas components are no worse than Bosch, but are cheaper to buy and are actually repairable. Lucas connectors are terrible, and most wiring looms don't have enough separate earths.

Chris Evans 611/08/2020 16:27:12
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People moan about Luas electrics but forget they had to be made to a price the OE customer would pay.

I have an auto-electrician friend, Lucas trained and can repair any of the parts on my old Pre War bikes claiming all to be simple.

Howard Lewis12/08/2020 08:47:07
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WARNING: Thread drift!

I was once told that Ford would take a Lucas electrical part and cost analyse it. If their estimate differed from the Lucas price by more than a penny, Joseph had to try again!

Any company supplying into high volume manufacture has to control costs very closely. (In days of yore, I used to give C A V, Bosch, and Stanadyne a hard time on pricing. Especially C A V having been a Development Engineer on the product! )

From a manufacturer's point of view, the part needs to survive long enough to get out of warranty, without being so short lived as to be considered unreliable. (Examples: The Chrysler ballast resistor, the original clutch cable on Renault 5 Mk2, Ford 100E head gaskets etc )

Compare a Halina camera with a Leica 3F, or a Zenith B vs a Canon AE1P or F1n. You got what you paid for.

Deeming is owed a huge debt, even if it took Japan to convince us.

Howard

 

Edited By Howard Lewis on 12/08/2020 08:48:53

Mick B112/08/2020 09:11:34
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Posted by Howard Lewis on 12/08/2020 08:47:07:

WARNING: Thread drift!

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Deeming is owed a huge debt, even if it took Japan to convince us.

Howard

OK, I'll take your bait. I spent a good bit of my 35 years in manufacturing and inventory control software testing Standard and Current Cost calculation and rollup subsystems, and who or what is Deeming?

blush

John Haine12/08/2020 09:21:59
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Well it all goes to show that you pays your money and takes your choice and whatever people have they will defend as "the right way". You should obviously find an old treadle lathe to get started....

Michael Gilligan12/08/2020 10:10:52
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Posted by Mick B1 on 12/08/2020 09:11:34:
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... and who or what is Deeming?

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Probably not who : **LINK**

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Bailey_Deeming

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Several descriptions of what are available

angel

MichaelG.

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 12/08/2020 10:11:56

Nicholas Wheeler 112/08/2020 10:13:14
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Posted by Mick B1 on 12/08/2020 09:11:34:
Posted by Howard Lewis on 12/08/2020 08:47:07:

WARNING: Thread drift!

...

Deeming is owed a huge debt, even if it took Japan to convince us.

Howard

OK, I'll take your bait. I spent a good bit of my 35 years in manufacturing and inventory control software testing Standard and Current Cost calculation and rollup subsystems, and who or what is Deeming?

Deeming was the American engineer whose ideas on quality management that Toyota developed.

Circlip12/08/2020 10:31:26
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Sorry, my diversion on the original posting should have said "Walk BEFORE you try to run" but would have been too obvious.

Regards Ian.

Michael Gilligan12/08/2020 10:42:37
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Posted by Nicholas Wheeler 1 on 12/08/2020 10:13:14:

Deeming was the American engineer whose ideas on quality management that Toyota developed.

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True devil

MichaelG.

Hopper12/08/2020 10:43:00
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Deming not Deeming, I believe.

Edited By Hopper on 12/08/2020 10:44:29

Michael Gilligan12/08/2020 10:45:10
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Posted by Hopper on 12/08/2020 10:43:00:

Demming not Deeming, I believe.

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Thanks for the correction, Hopper yes

... Takes all the amusing ambiguity out of it though

MichaelG.

Howard Lewis12/08/2020 16:05:06
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However you spell his name, he devised the Total Quality concept.

And we have all benefited from that in all sorts of spheres.

Personally, I'll settle for one E and one M in the name.

His system certainly works and made a lot of companies get their act together.

Now, where where we?

Howard

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