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mgnbuk06/08/2020 10:09:48
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KITS auction

An independant industrial training school near me has ceased trading & is auctioning off everything.

Lots include 19 Colchester Student 2500 lathes (extra chucks & faceplates as separate lots) and a dozen or so small Asian Turret mills, Haas Toolroom mills & lathe and some Boxford CNC training lathes. Also lots of measuring equipment + garage & sheet metal stuff + computers. The premises they used are only a mile or so from J25 M62.

Always sad to see auctions for companies closing, but the closure of the largest engineering training establishment in the area can not be good long term for engineering apprenticeships locally.

Nigel B.

Nigel B.

Bazyle06/08/2020 12:43:34
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Incredibly bad timing to close a training place just when we shoud be re-skilling some people. Lots of thihgs to appear on ebay shortly then. I notice one chuck backplace miss-described as a faceplate.

Nigel Bennett06/08/2020 12:49:52
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Gosh! There's a hell of a lot of stuff there. With so many identical bit-too-big for the average model engineer lathes for sale, I can imagine they'll go for peanuts and then be shipped overseas. I do wonder about some of those cupboards plus contents, though; if you bid and won one, how much of the contents would you actually get?

Barrie Lever06/08/2020 13:27:06
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Almost makes me want to cry, the only way that true wealth is created is by manufacturing, mining or farming and we need top skilled people to help us trade our way out of the current mess.

B.

jann west06/08/2020 13:33:59
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It's sad! Generally speaking ... Apparently (injury/negligence/etc.) insurance for metalwork training schools is very expensive, and the consumables are also expensive (whoops - someone forgot to turn off the argon on a welder and the college's entire tank leaked out overnight ... happened at CNWL the year I was there ... oops!) ... far easier and more profitable to teach courses in "digital marketing" etc.

Frances IoM06/08/2020 13:34:23
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the jobs that will be needed for many school leavers will not require real skill just mere ability to operate a coffee machine - there are some real engineering companies in the UK but too many, IMO, are in the armaments industry eg we can't even build ships (the next IoM ferry is to be built in Korea), nuclear reactors or even PPE needs.
Ian Parkin06/08/2020 14:22:54
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There was a similar auction 2018 in Rotherham with 5 similar lathes and 5 Bridgeport’s

the lathes all went for about £500 each

all the tooling was in big cabinets sold as one lot

so in one cabinet was all the tooling required for 5 lathes

J Hancock06/08/2020 14:52:57
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'We' have just wasted more money on one order buying useless face masks than it would cost to keep that training facility open for posterity.

Best not to worry our little heads on what direction we're going.

Circlip06/08/2020 14:53:05
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Sad to see, a bucket of mics in one lot. Thought only Chicken came in buckets.

Regards Ian

SillyOldDuffer06/08/2020 15:14:55
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Posted by Frances IoM on 06/08/2020 13:34:23:
the jobs that will be needed for many school leavers will not require real skill just mere ability to operate a coffee machine ...

If true the Yoof are doing remarkably well. Today the Service Sector delivers 80% of UK National Income. They're paying our pensions, not traditional manufacturing.

I'm all for celebrating the past but we live in a very different world and future generations will see even more change. Teaching youngsters to drive machine tools isn't going to make anybody rich. Ostlers, mantle cutters and Fossetmakers aren't in demand either.

Challenge for wise forum members: how should wealth be generated in future? Extra marks for showing figures and workings. Marks subtracted for unjustified optimism and empty promises - keep it real please. Zero for yearning after Industrial methods failed repeatedly since 1955. The Good Old Ways are dead and gone, what next?

Dave

john halfpenny06/08/2020 15:24:33
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Nevertheless Dave, we cannot all wash each others windows.

Cornish Jack06/08/2020 17:45:27
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S.O.D's view is, unfortunately correct - not because there is no requirement for engineering skills, but because, as a nation, we prize money-making in the here and now over investment in long-term projects. It's the mentality which left the motor industry and similar hanging onto obsolete machine tools 'cos it was cheaper, rather than invest in up-to-date technology. We leave foresight to others and wonder why we end up in a mess.

rgds

ill

Frances IoM06/08/2020 18:01:17
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coffee bars even allowing for their now complete dominance of the high street do not provide the 80% - the service economy includes the money laundering City of London that is where the bulk of the tax revenue appears from (I should add there are many other financial services but the number of rich Russians, Chinese and Gulf Arabs should indicate where a significant amount of money derives from)
jimmy b06/08/2020 19:12:15
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Thank you for the link. I'll be having a few bids on things.

Jim

larry phelan 106/08/2020 20:41:19
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When and where is this auction taking place ?

Dont see any mention of lathes ect in that link.

Robert Atkinson 206/08/2020 20:43:34
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Posted by jann west on 06/08/2020 13:33:59:

It's sad! Generally speaking ... Apparently (injury/negligence/etc.) insurance for metalwork training schools is very expensive, and the consumables are also expensive (whoops - someone forgot to turn off the argon on a welder and the college's entire tank leaked out overnight ... happened at CNWL the year I was there ... oops!) ... far easier and more profitable to teach courses in "digital marketing" etc.

Interestingly there are a number of "virtual reality welding simulators" amongst the lots presumably no gas required and n burns received!

Robert G8RPI..

JasonB06/08/2020 20:47:40
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Posted by larry phelan 1 on 06/08/2020 20:41:19:

When and where is this auction taking place ?

Dont see any mention of lathes ect in that link.

Start from about lot 200 for lathes

Try clicking "auction info" for dates

Phil Whitley06/08/2020 21:12:41
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Posted by jann west on 06/08/2020 13:33:59:

It's sad! Generally speaking ... Apparently (injury/negligence/etc.) insurance for metalwork training schools is very expensive, and the consumables are also expensive (whoops - someone forgot to turn off the argon on a welder and the college's entire tank leaked out overnight ... happened at CNWL the year I was there ... oops!) ... far easier and more profitable to teach courses in "digital marketing" etc.

here is the real reason, it is not that there is no demand for engineering courses, it is that they are comparitively very unprofitable to deliver, when compared to media studies and "digital marketing". The colleges do not care that there is no jobs at the end of them, they have already made their profit, and they do not exist to train ppl, they exist to make profit!

Britain was made great , not directly by engineering, but by innovation, and THEN building the products and selling them to the world, and today, although China, Asia and Japan are now the powerhouses, they lack the one skill that made Britain great, they are not innovators, they do not respect patents, and they will copy and improve anything they can get their hands on. We need to go back to innovation, but in order to do that we need a root and branch overhaul of the patent system, which for too long has allowed companies to ammass "intellectial property" by the mere act of saying "wouldn't it be good and profitable if we could do this", then patenting it, and waiting for some poor mug to do the hard work, and then surfacing (they are known as submarine patents), and using their financial clout and their in house patent attorneys to steal the idea, or bankrupt the inventor with a long legal battle, and steal the idea anyway. Reform could be as simple as introducing a rule that there is no patent without a working prototype, and that patent gives you 5 years to bring the idea to market, after which time the patent expires, and others can have a go.

We are in a situation today where there is no innovation, because there is no research into any field that already has patents, even if the owners of the patents are doing absolutely nothing with them, and inventors have long ago given up on the patent system, as it lacks any protection for them unless they are very wealthy. Mr Dyson spends millions every year just defending his patents.

So how to get the rest of the world to recognise and respect patents? simple, deny access to your marketplace to ALL that countries products untill they do!

The problem with the service industry, is that it employs very few people, returns large profits to even fewer,and is at the mercy of the ups and downs of the worlds financial state, and to imagine that the younger generation are going to pay for our pensions on their minimum waged employment is farcial, and also not the way pension funds work! We are going vaguely in the right direction by getting out of Europe, and now the Europeans companies have taken over our major (albiet lame duck) industries we have a clean slate to start rebuilding from the ground up. We need to lobby government to make these changes to make sure that good ideas get the protection they deserve, and therefore do not have to leave the UK in order for the innovators to profit from them. Export or die still applies!

Phil

Emgee06/08/2020 21:22:51
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Some nice looking Boxford cnc lathes there, search for Boxford cnc Milling machine to find them !!!!!

Emgee

J Hancock06/08/2020 21:24:22
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With you word for word PW but don't hold your breath waiting for action on any of those fronts.

The only consolation, we few will be amongst the last survivors of any catastrophe.

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