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Two factor Authentication and Ruralism

..when you don't have a wifi calling phone deal

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pgk pgk05/08/2020 11:16:45
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This is a mobile signal desert..unless I cross two fields and climb the hill or drive into town.Therefore a few years ago I bought a decent phone with a cheap pay as you go deal (1p mobile) which does all i need.. WhatsAp at home and an emergency phone when out and a phone link to my car (remote locking condiioning etc).

None of the networks will activate this particular model for WiFi calling so it looks like I'm going to have to buy a third phone with WiFi calling on a monthly contract just to keep plugged in at home for wife and I to use when doing any internet purchases or banking as a shared option between us.

Why the heck they couldn't just have used an email option in the new rules.....?


Steambuff05/08/2020 11:46:55
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Why not look at getting a Skype phone number? Not sure what the cost is.

You then answer the call on your PC/Laptop/Tablet etc


clogs05/08/2020 11:47:07
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the mobile phone network is a joke anyway.....

all this is toooooo dif for me to fathom out so I wait for my mates kids to turn up and they sort out the probs...

red mist an all that I'm afraid......

and lets not speak of CNC.........hahaha........

John Haine05/08/2020 11:56:01
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Posted by pgk pgk on 05/08/2020 11:16:45:


Why the heck they couldn't just have used an email option in the new rules.....?


Because if someone has hacked your PC they have probably cloned your email address too. Ask Liam Fox....

Dave Halford05/08/2020 11:58:39
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wouldn't be an Acatel by any chance?

pgk pgk05/08/2020 13:26:14
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Posted by Dave Halford on 05/08/2020 11:58:39:

wouldn't be an Acatel by any chance?

Motorola G6 (annoyingly the G6 play can do wifi calling)


pgk pgk05/08/2020 13:28:27
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Posted by Steambuff on 05/08/2020 11:46:55:


Why not look at getting a Skype phone number? Not sure what the cost is.

You then answer the call on your PC/Laptop/Tablet etc


That may/may not work since numbers aren't mobile type. I cant find the extra fee for being able to use it for MSM either.


Henry Brown05/08/2020 13:44:24
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We use a mobile signal receiver/repeater for our wi-fi as the terrestrial internet is too slow to be of any use, costs £22 per month for unlimited downloads.

May be worth looking at the coverage maps for your area and if there is a chance of a signal borrow a phone that takes a signal from that provider to see if you can find a hot spot to place the receiver. The signal here on 3 is marginal but the receiver does a great job most of the time.

The ridiculous thing is that we are less than 8 miles from Worcester city centre.

Cabinet Enforcer05/08/2020 13:53:52
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My building society lets you pick from a list of registered numbers for two factor each time it is needed, so I can use the landline when at home. Which is just one of the reasons I barely use the bank I am also a customer of, as they insist on using a text message system.

Peter G. Shaw05/08/2020 14:05:11
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Nationwide allows the use of either a text message to whichever phone is registered, or the use of a card-reader device which looks like a calculator but which can read your bank card and on entering the correct pin gives an 8 digit code which can than be transmitted via the internet.

Bit of a bind having to do this everytime I logon to internet banking, and occasionally thereafter, but I suppose if it increases security then so be it, although I can't help thinking that this more for the bank's security than mine.

Peter G. Shaw

p.s. I've just received an email from Paypal saying that they are going over to this system. It's getting to the state when I just can't be bothered anymore.

Edited By Peter G. Shaw on 05/08/2020 14:09:10

larry phelan 105/08/2020 14:57:44
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I am only 4 miles from Town centre and can seldom get/make a call from home.

Weekends are a NO NO !

Progress ?surprise

KWIL05/08/2020 16:17:49
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Good bye Paypal?

pgk pgk05/08/2020 17:08:54
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Posted by KWIL on 05/08/2020 16:17:49:

Good bye Paypal?

As I understand - It's euro legislation - all online purchases with credit/debit cards will need this. Should have come in earlier but was delayed by C-19


pmm105/08/2020 17:56:50
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I have a Cisco Signal Box which enables me to use my mobile indoors. It is 3G, but there may be other versions available for other 'G's.


Clive Foster05/08/2020 18:24:41
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How about WiFi Calling via your internet connection?

Most reasonably modern phones are up for it but not all cellular networks enable the feature. I imagine two factor ID may push them all into offering it.

Allegedly seamless so you don't know which way the call is going.


Simon Williams 305/08/2020 19:31:48
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I too live in a mobile phone desert. 5G?!........2G would be nice!

Some banks (NatWest is one) use a SMS to a mobile as a second confirmation. That just doesn't work for me. It means I have to go and lurk in a car park in the nearest town and use my 3G phone as both hotspot and to receive the SMS. I'm sure the spotty 17 year olds who dream up these nonsenses haven't understood how limited mobile phone network coverage is outside the urban jungle. Perhaps they don't think our business is worth worrying about.

I've changed my day to day banking to Lloyds, who use a better system which works over a land line by voice messaging, and stays away from SMS complelely. In my rural backwater this works quite well.

Is Paypal heading towards the stupidity of NatWest?

pgk pgk05/08/2020 21:31:41
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Posted by Simon Williams 3 on 05/08/2020 19:31:48:....

,,,,Is Paypal heading towards the stupidity of NatWest?

All remote purchases are going that way. As stated in my OP via WiFi is the easiest solution. WhatsAp will work on virtually any phone recent enough to still function and should be an option. Otherwise I also have had to drive to a reception area and call wife at home when we need to deal with assorted online investments and banks.

I make too many mistakes on phone keyboards and no current laptop (3 PC's but I'm not carting those and inverters around). I could tether to my Tesla's big screen but I really don't need to clog that up with with cookies and nonsense which it'd probably reject anyway..

Yet another ill-conceived beaurocracy that could have been avoided with a little more thought


AdrianR06/08/2020 09:03:23
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Paypal allows you to connect a 2FA app in place of the PSD2 OTP text. You can either have the app on your phone, or you can get apps for your PC.

I used to use a Chrome extension for 2FA before I had a smartphone



Harry Wilkes06/08/2020 09:36:51
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I had the same problem I got a second phone to use in Wales where my main main had no service,I too used 1p mobile and this didn't have WiFi calling so I switched to EE and WiFi calling worked now I know there must be a technical reason as to why one worked and the other didn't as 1p mobile is EE.


Danny M2Z06/08/2020 09:52:15
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Just don't use 5G as apparently it spreads the virus (acciording to some nutters)

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