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Hopper27/06/2020 14:28:30
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I think the OP made it clear the seller was a trader and that he was unable to go look at it.

I'd agree that a South Bend clone such as Boxford is a very good option at often less money and well worth looking at.

Hollowpoint27/06/2020 15:11:14
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Posted by Steviegtr on 27/06/2020 14:08:41:

Well having had both a Boxford & now a Myford, i thought both machines were well made. Why slag a Myford. Why is a Boxford better.

As for Chinese made ones of which i have not had. I think there are some that are well made & fine. Some are not so good but at what price. Rolls Royces for ten bob is not going to happen.

Steve.

I'm not slagging the Myford they are nice machines but they have gained almost a cult following and the prices are getting a bit daft.

The Boxford is better IMO because it has prism ways, taper roller headstock bearings, larger diameter spindle bore, usually a more powerful motor and is generally of more robust construction all round.

Michael Gilligan28/06/2020 12:43:17
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Posted by Hopper on 27/06/2020 11:27:13:
Posted by Jacob Brown on 27/06/2020 02:01:13:
Posted by Hopper on 26/06/2020 23:54:37:

Have a look in the classifieds on this site....

Thank you for hint Hopper. I messaged seller, hopefully I wasn't too late.

Youd bestvtry again. See the thread Neil posted saying a message sent to the seller had your contact details accidentally deleted.

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Jacob Brown28/06/2020 19:32:29
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Youd bestvtry again. See the thread Neil posted saying a message sent to the seller had your contact details accidentally deleted.

Your help is much appreciated Hopper. It seems that very soon I'll join club of lathe owners thanks to your message.

Regards

Jacob

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Edited By Jacob Brown on 28/06/2020 19:32:47

Durhambuilder01/07/2020 15:36:37
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Jacob, I have absolutely no connection with the seller but if I were you I’d have a good look at the Boxford currently on the Home Workshop site for £750.

Jacob Brown08/07/2020 13:10:39
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Posted by Durhambuilder on 01/07/2020 15:36:37:

Jacob, I have absolutely no connection with the seller but if I were you I’d have a good look at the Boxford currently on the Home Workshop site for £750.

Thank you for suggestion but I already bought Myford ML4. Seems to be in good nick apart from damaged (probably broken off) end of spindle.

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Keith Long08/07/2020 14:42:08
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Jacob, from what I can see in your pictures that lathe isn't a ML4 or any other sort of true Myford lathe but it looks VERY much like a Drummond "M" Type - the knock off bar along the front is a bit of a give away as I believe they were never fitted to Myford designed lathes but very much a Drummond feature. Where you may be getting confused is that during World War 2 Myford made Drummond M Type lathes under licence at first but later the rights to the design were assigned to Myford by Drummond. So you can have :

1.a Drummond M type completely manufactured by Drummond

2. a Drummond M type assembled by Myford from parts that were transferred to Myford fromDrummond

3. a Drummond/Myford M type assembled from parts made by Myford to Drummond designs

or finally

4. A Myford manufactured lathe built to the Drummond M type design but incorporating modifications introduced by Myford.

About the only way to check that is to find the serial number on the bed (tail-stock end) and check that with the files on the Drummond lathes io group.

Yes the end of the spindle is damaged, the thread should be at least twice as long as that.

So long as the important parts of the lathe are in good order then you should have a very competent machine when you get it set up, they have a very good reputation.

Roger Whiteley08/07/2020 14:49:56
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That's a really nice looking machine, how the **** did anybody manage to break off the spindle nose threads. Clumsy muppet.

Jacob Brown08/07/2020 15:31:40
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Posted by Roger Whiteley on 08/07/2020 14:49:56:

That's a really nice looking machine, how the **** did anybody manage to break off the spindle nose threads. Clumsy muppet.

I started my small investigation and according to guys from Drummond Io group previous owned bored spindle to 1/2" and most likely in process broke off part of it.

Bazyle08/07/2020 15:38:13
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That makes a lot more sense of your last post on the Drummond Group. The Drummond spindle was at best drilled 3/8 and the Myford ML4 19/32 so with your reported about 1/2 bore it looks like yours was indeed bored out thus damaging the end of the thread.

You can now check your serial (far right of bed) against the list on the Lathes.co.uk site to find the year.

Jacob Brown08/07/2020 15:42:33
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Posted by Keith Long on 08/07/2020 14:42:08:

Jacob, from what I can see in your pictures that lathe isn't a ML4 or any other sort of true Myford lathe but it looks VERY much like a Drummond "M" Type - the knock off bar along the front is a bit of a give away as I believe they were never fitted to Myford designed lathes but very much a Drummond feature. Where you may be getting confused is that during World War 2 Myford made Drummond M Type lathes under licence at first but later the rights to the design were assigned to Myford by Drummond.

It's very interesting indeed. It was manufactured by Myford in 1948 according to nemeplate.

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Bazyle08/07/2020 18:53:45
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The J on the serial number idicates a Drummond built by Myford though initially they used Drummond serials perhaps because of split location production or using a stock of ready built parts.

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