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[Project 3] Dickson T1 Tool Holder

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Lee Jones 622/05/2020 07:53:30
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Probably a little adventurous for someone at my level, but I do so like a challenge.

From back to front;

  • Stock
  • Rough-cut Part
  • OEM Part

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Part milled to size:

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Tool holding slot being milled with a 10mm 2-flute Carbide titanium nitride (TIN) coated HSS cutter:

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Edited By Lee Jones 6 on 22/05/2020 07:53:50

Lee Jones 622/05/2020 07:57:56
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Bump in the road.

Looks like the cutter was pulled into the work on the last pass. Typical!

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Multiple failings on my part:

  • A 10-11mm collet was used (should have used 9-10mm)
  • The collet was not properly inserted/clicked properly into place (at least not intentionally!)
  • The collet needed de-burring

Discussion HERE.

Edited By Lee Jones 6 on 22/05/2020 07:58:42

Lee Jones 622/05/2020 08:00:29
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Marking out for the 'V' slots.

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Discussion for cutting the slots HERE.

Lee Jones 622/05/2020 08:17:19
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Tilting the head (first time I did this).

As you can see, I do not have an accurate way of measuring angles.

Plan for [Project 86] is a Sine Bar/Plate.

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First cut:

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One side done (look under the OEM Part):

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Both sides done (looks okay to me):

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Offering up to the tool holder. Can't see how it fits until we mill part of the 'T' slot out.

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Edited By Lee Jones 6 on 22/05/2020 08:24:15

Lee Jones 622/05/2020 08:21:14
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Tramming the head back in to 0° (vertical):

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How does 0.1mm over 480mm sound?

So 1mm over 4800mm (4.8m)?

thaiguzzi22/05/2020 11:15:15
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After making the first one successfully, will you be making them in a gang of 3,4,5?

Much quicker, then saw off to length/width.

Looks like a good start so far.

Lee Jones 622/05/2020 11:34:36
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Yes, that is the plan. I can squeeze 4 in if I do it this way.

However, I'd really like to be able to cut the 45 degree 'v' slots on the X, then I could cut more at a time.

Still haven't figured out a way to do that yet.

JasonB22/05/2020 12:43:18
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Posted by Lee Jones 6 on 22/05/2020 08:21:14:

How does 0.1mm over 480mm sound?

As nobody else has answered from last night I get about 1/10th of that in X&Y eg 0.003mm in 140mm on a Chinese machine.

Lee Jones 622/05/2020 12:48:42
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Posted by JasonB on 22/05/2020 12:43:18:
Posted by Lee Jones 6 on 22/05/2020 08:21:14:

How does 0.1mm over 480mm sound?

As nobody else has answered from last night I get about 1/10th of that in X&Y eg 0.003mm in 140mm on a Chinese machine.

I'll go beat it a few more times with a rubber mallet.

It was dialed in until I bolted the head down.

JasonB22/05/2020 13:12:50
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You just need to see how much it moves when you tighten it down and then set it to compensate.

David George 122/05/2020 13:46:15
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This is a drawing of a standard toolpost using a screw with a plain shank to check sizes from to make sure that the clamp mechanism works the same on all replacement pieces.

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David

Lee Jones 622/05/2020 14:12:36
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Sorry David, I'm not sure I understand.

NB: This is the smaller T0 size holder, right?

KWIL22/05/2020 14:45:26
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Lee,

Congratulations on having a go, that's the way to learn. I am not trying to belittle your efforts but manual marking out will not be accurate enough.

The 45 degree must be correct, all 4 faces of the Vs need to be in contact, the distance betwen them must be spot on.

I have made several for special applications but then my machines have all got DRO facilities. It is unlikely you will be able to file and fit with sufficient accuracy, but you can always try.

Good luck

KWIL22/05/2020 15:04:14
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Lee,

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Special application as mentioned. Variable angle screw cutting insert holder.

 

Edited By KWIL on 22/05/2020 15:08:14

Lee Jones 622/05/2020 15:08:51
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What was your method for cutting the 'v's?

KWIL22/05/2020 15:53:39
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Block accurately set up at 45 degrees and left fixed for both Vs. Checked with DRO system (ie slope is 1 in 1). One V cut with mill, then vertical and horizontal off sets for the next V (also read from DRO). Second V cut.

Lee Jones 622/05/2020 17:11:10
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Apologies Ken, but what is 'block'?

Don't suppose you took a picture?

JasonB22/05/2020 18:35:31
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Block of metal you are making the holder from.

Maybe quill could elaborate on his holding methods.

Lee Jones 622/05/2020 18:37:46
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Ah, I thought 'block' was the holding method (like 'v' block). Thanks for clarifying.

Yes, that's what I'm after. How did you mount it at 45 degrees?

Martin Connelly22/05/2020 18:58:38
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Lee, did you see this by John Baron on the Cutting a 45 degree V thread page 1? There was also a suggestion somewhere to cut a narrow slot first then cut the vee. This is how some of the purchased ones I have had their vees cut (the slot that is, not the 45 degree cutter part).

Martin C

Hi Lee, Guys,

Whilst your picture shows one way of getting a 45 degree angle, its not a good way of holding work for milling. My recommendation would be to buy a proper inverted cutter and secure the work to the mill table properly. At a pinch you could use a 45 degree HSS or carbide countersink and take it easy with the cut.

Edited By John Baron on 20/05/2020 14:58:32

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