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Stepper Motor Flexible Coupling.

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Brian Abbott08/05/2020 19:54:24
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Does anyone know where I can get on of these in the uk?

6.35 to 12mm

Thanks.

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Steviegtr08/05/2020 19:57:04
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Look up flexible couplings they are quite popular. Sure there will be a stockist near you.

Steve.

Journeyman08/05/2020 20:08:35
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Amazon, where else?

John

Ian McVickers08/05/2020 20:09:31
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Hengstler or flexible beam couplings are pretty common so should be easy to find. RS components have then but they are a bit pricey. Zapp Automation might have them.

Brian Abbott08/05/2020 20:23:15
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Thanks all.

John, looks like what I need, thanks for the link.

Ketan Swali08/05/2020 20:29:29
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If you are converting something to CNC, they flex/bend and can sometimes bend/snap the leadscrew. They put a strain on the lead/ball screw, and sometimes also effect the fast movement of the X/Y axis. So for example if you are cutting/engraving a circle, at a certain point you may fail to get a perfect curve. If you are looking at a clock face, usually between 6pm and 9pm.

If you have alignment issues, better to look at oldam couplings, similar to this. These hold the position better. ARC will stop selling these after they are sold out becasue we stopped selling most things to do with CNC.

Ketan at ARC.

Brian Abbott08/05/2020 20:34:56
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Hello Ketan.

I was hoping to use it to connect a stepper motor to my rotary table.

Ketan Swali08/05/2020 20:48:12
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Posted by Brian Abbott on 08/05/2020 20:34:56:

Hello Ketan.

I was hoping to use it to connect a stepper motor to my rotary table.

Then not a big deal. Most people use flexi coupling, but we stopped using them very early on. We still use the oldham type for the rotary table conversions we build, for quicker assembly, and still to get over alignment stress/strain issues.

Which ever way you decide is fine. Good Luck.

Ketan at ARC.

Journeyman08/05/2020 20:49:32
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That's exactly what I did, used the same coupling see Journeyman's Workshop

John

Ketan Swali08/05/2020 20:58:05
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Posted by Journeyman on 08/05/2020 20:49:32:

That's exactly what I did, used the same coupling see Journeyman's Workshop

John

Thats a good write-up John.

Ketan at ARC.

Journeyman08/05/2020 21:04:25
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Thanks, no original thinking by me. Based on Carl Wilson's article in MEW 249. Works well although I haven't used it much.

John

Brian Abbott08/05/2020 21:21:34
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Thanks John.

Good read and will be very useful.

old mart09/05/2020 20:37:30
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An Oldham coupling could suffer with backlash if it gets worn, but those springy one piece type will not. However, as Ketan says, the Oldham is easier to couple up as there are no grub screws to tighten up.

Ketan Swali09/05/2020 22:28:06
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Sorry Old Mart,

That is not the experience we have has with Oldham Couplings!smiley

JS and I spent a long time developing the modifications to the KX CNC machines as well as the modulations from manual to stepper motor modifications of the rotary tables.... more than 12 years ago, well before most on here started to come up with the ideas.

Before we put the modified rotary tables with stepper motors onto the market, we ran Extensive tests, especially with Steve Blackmore - the demolition king, to break them. After additions of several D.C. Needle roller bearings and Thrust NRBs and Oldham couplings to the assembly, such rotary tables became a lot more robust. Because of the cost of the modified rotary tables, most of our customers for them were and still are industrial users who consider them to be cheap!

The SIEG factory made two versions of the KXs. We sent them the Oldham couplings for all the KX CNC machines we sold, after seeing the failure under certain ‘abuse’ conditions using the various flexi coupling versions they fit as standard. The KXs sold by others have flexi, including the clones. To the best of my knowledge, not a single one of the KXs we supplied over 10 years, including the one we use has had a ‘backlash’ / failure issue due to the U.K. made Oldham couplings fitted into the ARC supplied KXs, which are more expensive to buy than the flexi couplings... even from original Oldham couplings makers themselves, and even they recommend these over their own versions of flexi, for industrial applications.

Until around 2017, Oldham couplings were not made or available in China. Even when they started making such couplings in China, they had many failures initially, and only recently, they have made improvements. Even so, the Chinese equivalent is more expensive than their flexi, and sometimes their similar ‘looking’ types are still not Oldham types, but are marketed as such. It would be wrong to compare an Oldham coupling with flexi, in our opinion. But, as I said earlier, it is up to the user and their application.

Ketan at ARC

 

 

Edited By Ketan Swali on 09/05/2020 22:31:45

Colin Heseltine09/05/2020 22:32:45
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Brian,

i bought the Oldham couplings I used on my rotary table conversion from HPC gears. They are still open.

Colin

Ketan Swali09/05/2020 22:34:35
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Also, forgot to say that Oldham couplings also have grub screws to fix/clamp them onto the shafts, and yes they are easier to couple up and are always better than flexi to maintain alignment without stress. smiley

Ketan at ARC

Edited By Ketan Swali on 09/05/2020 22:35:37

Michael Gilligan09/05/2020 23:09:45
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It’s worth looking through the enormous range offered by RS : **LINK**

https://uk.rs-online.com/web/c/pneumatics-hydraulics-power-transmission/power-transmission-couplings/couplings/

Use the filters in the sidebar to home-in on items of interest.

... Most of their listings have a datasheet available.

MichaelG.

Ketan Swali09/05/2020 23:20:07
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The ones which ARC sells are made by HUCO.

Ketan at ARC

mgnbuk10/05/2020 10:19:43
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I would not use the spiral cut solid type as a motor coupling. They were designed to drive low torque loads such as resolvers and tacho generators and were not particularly reliable when used as intended.

A better solution is a jaw coupling with a backlash-free elastomer insert, like this kupplung3.jpg

The clamp hub desgn is better than grub screws directly contacting the shaft (particularly if the shaft does not have a flat). This is the type of coupling that Denford originally employed on my Triac.

Be aware that there are "general purpose" types of this coupling that do not have a backlash-free insert - all the backlash-free ones I have come across have a red insert & require a firm push to engage the two jaws over the insert. As with an Oldham coupling the motor can be removed leaving the ballscrew jaw in place - unlike an Oldham coupling the insert is not subject to wear.

Nigel B.

Michael Gilligan10/05/2020 10:32:19
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All good stuff, Nigel ^^^

... provided that you can be sure of axial alignment between motor and shaft.

MichaelG.

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