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Barrie Lever23/04/2020 10:32:36
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OK a bit of fun here.

I am always on the look out for bargains on Ebay and I am very pleased with what I have acquired over the years this way.

So about two weeks ago I saw a Mitutoyo indicator advertised, it had a £4.88 starting bid and the seller called Webb_Flow was based in London. The seller had no feedback and had no transaction history, I thought well everyone has to start somewhere.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Dial-Test-Indicator-0-0-8mm-513-404-0-01mm-/313048826637?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=GhK0r2V51NkNGxUuMJQYRfeiGbI%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc

I won the bid at £5.50 and paid the fee, at that stage the money went to some oriental looking script.no idea if it was Japanese or Chinese.

I started to smell a rat though, I checked with the seller that the package was on it's way and I got a reply from Mark saying it would be with me on the 23rd April.

This morning the package showed up, the packing had a customs slip from China, how did that happen? I thought I had bought from someone in London !!

I unpacked the indicator and could see in seconds that it was a fake, 5 seconds inspection revealed it was called Mitetoyo and was made in Jepan, you could not make this up if you tried !!

I will badly annoy Neil and Jason if I call this indicator what it actually is but I think you know what I mean.

I checked the indicator on my granite table with tungsten slip gauges (all bought off of Ebay and absolutely superb quality) going from 20mm slips to 20.1 I could already see errors, probably OK for someone like SOD Dave as an exponent of near enough is good enough but the indicator is not staying in my workshop.

So my question to forum members is should I crush it or give it to SOD Dave?

Winning vote will be actioned.

I will keep the plastic case though.

Regards

B.

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Derek Lane23/04/2020 10:55:00
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I just looked at the original posting and on the indicator in their photo it does have the correct spelling yet the one you received does not so definitely a fake and deliberate con on their part I would raise a refund and complaint. I know it was not a great amount but it is the principle of the fact.

Barrie Lever23/04/2020 11:04:40
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Derek

I have already given the seller negative feedback, that will do me.

Deceitful is the nicest way to describe it in my book.

B.

David Colwill23/04/2020 11:05:02
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Looks like a cheap copy of my Mitutogo.

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What did you expect when the real thing costs £7.50?

Still when you drop it, I doubt the tears will flow.

Regards.

David.

SillyOldDuffer23/04/2020 11:20:51
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Excellent - it's a fake. Please don't resell it as genuine - a real one costs about £150.

Is it worth £5.50 though? Might be fit for purpose despite the deception. I only use my El-cheapo lever dial indicator as a comparator not as a measuring tool. It's fine for centring work in a 4-jaw chuck.

Likely Barry's fake is based on a genuine cheap DTI movement, and they're not awful. (Main fault on mine is a tendency to stickiness, not that it doesn't work. It's slightly untrustworthy rather than hopeless.)

If a £5.50 fake works well enough, it's a bargain. If I'd paid full whack expecting a Mitutoyu and that arrived, I'd be inconsolable! As it is, the entertainment value alone was worth it!

If only it had CE Marks and a British Lion Egg stamp!

smiley

Dave

Barrie Lever23/04/2020 11:31:30
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For £5.50 it was worth the gamble to see if something was slipping through the 'Net'.

The question though Dave is do you want it, or is it going to the crusher.

It worked quite well and certainly well for £5.50, I could detect a repeatable error of 0.002 over 0.010.

Yours if you want it. No CE marks though, you should see the eggs our new British chickens are laying superb.

B.

Mike Poole23/04/2020 11:41:57
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I doubt that any indicator could be relied on to measure accurately as this is not really its function, a dial gauge should be much more accurate if taking a measurement is required.. That could still be a useful tool if the mechanism is smooth and sensitive. Clocking a vice or setting a four jaw could well be within is useful function.

Mike

Martin 10023/04/2020 11:42:12
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Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 23/04/2020 11:20:51:

Excellent - it's a fake. Please don't resell it as genuine - a real one costs about £150.

No it's £102.84 direct from Mitutoyo UK, and usually a few quid cheaper from well established industrial and metrology suppliers

https://shop.mitutoyo.co.uk/web/mitutoyo/en_GB/all/all/Dial%20Test%20Indicator,%20Horizontal%20Type/PR/513-404-10E/index.xhtml

Clive Brown 123/04/2020 11:48:29
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It's a fairly convincing ad. except it doesn't actually quote the name Mitutoyo in the text. Surprises me that it didn't sell for more, considering the price for the genuine article.

BTW, Quoting a London location for Far-eastern items is not uncommon, but I think it's breaking Ebay rules.

Tony Pratt 123/04/2020 11:49:16
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Go to the resolution centre on Ebay stating your case & ask for a refund! You will get your money back & have a half decent indicator [possibly]

Tony

Hopper23/04/2020 11:58:41
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Ive had several years of good service out of a similar one i bought. Cost equivalent of 10 quid with a very nice little magnetic base. I wish mine had the cool mis-spelling like yours though, just for giggles.

Its a comparator not a measuring device and just fine for truing jobs in the lathe and the like.

Give it to SOD who will appreciate it for what it is: great value for money.

Edited By Hopper on 23/04/2020 12:00:40

Michael Gilligan23/04/2020 12:11:22
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Revenge is a dish best served cold

... so, perhaps tonight, start here: **LINK**

https://www.mitutoyo.eu/en_us/corporate/beware-of-counterfeit-fake-mitutoyo-products

MichaelG.

David Colwill23/04/2020 12:31:23
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Posted by Clive Brown 1 on 23/04/2020 11:48:29:

It's a fairly convincing ad. except it doesn't actually quote the name Mitutoyo in the text. Surprises me that it didn't sell for more, considering the price for the genuine article.

BTW, Quoting a London location for Far-eastern items is not uncommon, but I think it's breaking Ebay rules.

I trade on ebay and was notified by them, earlier this year, that they were going to start penalising traders that did this. The reason being that people were complaining. That said I still notice huge numbers of people doing just that so nothing much has changed. You can generally tell by the delivery time.

Regards.

David.

Brian H23/04/2020 12:32:49
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I'm with Tony Pratt on this one; go to Ebay and report it. You should get your money back but more importantly, you may prevent someone else from being scammed.

Brian

Barrie Lever23/04/2020 12:37:09
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Posted by Hopper on 23/04/2020 11:58:41:

Its a comparator not a measuring device and just fine for truing jobs in the lathe and the like.

Give it to SOD who will appreciate it for what it is: great value for money.

Edited By Hopper on 23/04/2020 12:00:40

Hopper

Agree it is a comparator not a measuring device as such, but you need to know what you are playing with 20mm slip to 20.01 showed the error, I expect that could build up in a linear fashion as the spiral wire inside may not be quite right.

Sure will be great value for Dave as if takes the offer up it is free.

Otherwise it is going in the vice.

B.

Barrie Lever23/04/2020 12:39:05
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Posted by Clive Brown 1 on 23/04/2020 11:48:29:

It's a fairly convincing ad. except it doesn't actually quote the name Mitutoyo in the text. Surprises me that it didn't sell for more, considering the price for the genuine article.

BTW, Quoting a London location for Far-eastern items is not uncommon, but I think it's breaking Ebay rules.

Clive

From top line of the description.

Model:Mitutoyo
 
513-404

I am not 'Bent up out of shape' over it, I was just seeing if something was slipping through the net so as to speak.

I have had £10's K of top notch gear off of Ebay, this is just a tiny blip on radar.

B..

 
 
 
 

Edited By Barrie Lever on 23/04/2020 12:42:14

not done it yet23/04/2020 12:57:10
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Posted by Clive Brown 1 on 23/04/2020 11:48:29:

It's a fairly convincing ad. except it doesn't actually quote the name Mitutoyo in the text. Surprises me that it didn't sell for more, considering the price for the genuine article.

BTW, Quoting a London location for Far-eastern items is not uncommon, but I think it's breaking Ebay rules.

Oh yes it does! It says Mitutoyo Model 513-404 right as the headline in the description!

Ask politely for you money to be refunded, and for them to arrange for the item to be collected for return. Then complain to get a full refund. Negative feedback is a good move. Lying about the item location is further proof of cheating the system.

They will just have a laugh unless you take remedial action.

edited  - Barrie got there while I was making lunch!

Edited By not done it yet on 23/04/2020 12:58:18

Clive Brown 123/04/2020 12:57:42
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Soz, don't know how I missed that bit, I was concentrating on the main heading I suppose.blush.

But even more surprise that the top bid wasn't higher!surprise

 

Edited By Clive Brown 1 on 23/04/2020 13:01:10

Bandersnatch23/04/2020 16:50:38
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If you copy the picture from the eBay ad into a half-decent graphics program where you can enlarge it , it looks a lot more like "Mitutoyo" than "Mitetoyo".

Robert Atkinson 223/04/2020 18:37:02
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You should report it to ebay and ask for a refund for item not as described. This type of seller does not care about feedback. They do care about not getting their money. Selling it as a "Mitetoyo" is OK, buyer beware, but putting Mitutoyo in the titile and description is fraud. If people don't complain ebay won't do anything.

Robert G8RPI.

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