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Bill Phinn05/04/2020 20:24:21
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There are far worse breaches of the lockdown rules going on than two people having a barbecue on a beach.

In my area, well over a dozen people are congregating several times a day to play basketball, smoke weed, and just hang out. Police intervention, such as it is, is failing to deter them.

Martin Kyte05/04/2020 21:00:52
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My attitude is this.

If you are making close contact wth anyone outside your household, unless it's in consequence of the essential actions of obtaining food or medicines you are not only endangering yourself but many others too. The consequences are no different from, but far more serious than, drinking and driving and carry the same moral opprobrium.

I wish it would rain for the rest of the month.

regards Martin

Ray Lyons05/04/2020 21:51:56
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I assume that these people are also the types who do not wear face masks or wash their hands as recommended by the authorities. It seems that the rules do not apply equally across the country.

In a news item earlier this week we saw two women heavily fined for making rail journeys without a valid reason, yet we now hear that an advisor to the Scottish Parliament and a labour MP both made journeys away from home and were only advised of their errors by the police. Surely if the laws are to be creditable and acceptable then they must be applied equally to everyone

Clive Hartland05/04/2020 22:14:39
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The Scottish minister has now resigned.

Bill Phinn05/04/2020 22:20:23
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Posted by Ray Lyons on 05/04/2020 21:51:56:

I assume that these people are also the types who do not wear face masks or wash their hands as recommended by the authorities.

Some of the youths local to me have long been very respectful of the face mask rule.

J Hancock05/04/2020 22:36:01
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Those young folk should be safe enough as long as they keep out of Care Homes for the elderly.

That is where the real dangers lie.

V8Eng05/04/2020 23:23:54
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Posted by Bill Phinn on 05/04/2020 22:20:23:
Posted by Ray Lyons on 05/04/2020 21:51:56:

I assume that these people are also the types who do not wear face masks or wash their hands as recommended by the authorities.

Some of the youths local to me have long been very respectful of the face mask rule.


laugh

V8Eng05/04/2020 23:26:29
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Posted by Ray Lyons on 05/04/2020 21:51:56:

I assume that these people are also the types who do not wear face masks or wash their hands as recommended by the authorities. It seems that the rules do not apply equally across the country.

In a news item earlier this week we saw two women heavily fined for making rail journeys without a valid reason, yet we now hear that an advisor to the Scottish Parliament and a labour MP both made journeys away from home and were only advised of their errors by the police. Surely if the laws are to be creditable and acceptable then they must be applied equally to everyone

Equal rules for all, That’ll be the day!

Edited By V8Eng on 05/04/2020 23:26:44

Steviegtr05/04/2020 23:39:04
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Posted by Clive Hartland on 05/04/2020 22:14:39:

The Scottish minister has now resigned.

Good. It's about time they brought the placards back with the big pointing finger. Your country needs you, so go home & stay alive.

Steve.

Bazyle05/04/2020 23:40:05
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I was pretty disgusted all last week at the endless 2nd rate politicians being given air time to whine about how they thought of things weeks ago and each new initiative was really their idea. Not a bit of constructive suggestion in evidence and the sycophantic media jerks never pulling them up on their bid for publicity.

Anyway my current view of 'worse things happening' mentioned earlier is the problem with public transport. I think a mandatory masks and visors rule plus all windows open however cold the draught is for busses, tube and taxis should come in asap. Anyone think this would be pointless?

I have been eking my food out so probably healthier on half rations than I would normally be but will have to make a shop run before Easter. Should I wear a mask? Will it help?

Steviegtr06/04/2020 00:03:23
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Does anyone know if you buy a frozen item & the packaging is contaminated. When you bring it home & put it in the freezer, does that freeze the virus. Just for it to come back at room temperature. ?????

Steve.

Swarf Maker06/04/2020 00:08:54
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There are some good 'biking' roads near me. They are so good that a 50mph speed limit has been imposed to try and curb the number of 'biker' fatalities. Summer Sundays the road becomes a race track where it would seem that the objective is not to let your speed fall below the 50mph speed limit.

Although I live 2 miles away, the sound of the screaming engines and accompanying clutch-less gear changes is actually intrusive as these bikes travel a twisty length of around 4 miles. There is all too frequently an intermission as the sirens of the police and ambulance vehicles attend the latest carnage.

Now we are confined to barracks of course, but that means nothing has changed for these inconsiderate idiots. All day long the 'race track' has been active and no doubt that, with reduced traffic, new end-to-end records have been set.

I anticipate that anyone 'losing it' would still expect to be put back together by our over-stretched hospital staff. I cannot find polite words to convey how I feel about their irresponsible actions.

This kind of behaviour is why I am a 'motorcyclist' and not a 'biker'!

Steviegtr06/04/2020 00:11:56
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Posted by Swarf Maker on 06/04/2020 00:08:54:

There are some good 'biking' roads near me. They are so good that a 50mph speed limit has been imposed to try and curb the number of 'biker' fatalities. Summer Sundays the road becomes a race track where it would seem that the objective is not to let your speed fall below the 50mph speed limit.

Although I live 2 miles away, the sound of the screaming engines and accompanying clutch-less gear changes is actually intrusive as these bikes travel a twisty length of around 4 miles. There is all too frequently an intermission as the sirens of the police and ambulance vehicles attend the latest carnage.

Now we are confined to barracks of course, but that means nothing has changed for these inconsiderate idiots. All day long the 'race track' has been active and no doubt that, with reduced traffic, new end-to-end records have been set.

I anticipate that anyone 'losing it' would still expect to be put back together by our over-stretched hospital staff. I cannot find polite words to convey how I feel about their irresponsible actions.

This kind of behaviour is why I am a 'motorcyclist' and not a 'biker'!

Me too. Totally agree.

Steve.

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Nigel Graham 206/04/2020 00:17:03
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The people who are wilfully and openly flouting what have become laws, have only themselves to blame if as a result the Government does carry out today's threat that it can clamp down even harder, putting us all under house arrest apart from the necessary shopping, work, medical and livestock-care reasons.

There is though an aspect to it all that the authorities have not considered.

Most of us here are in model-engineering clubs of which many have costly, large-scale physical assets; but we are unique only in the types of assets, and by no means alone generally. There are all manner of sports, outdoor-pursuits and other special-interest societies; small museums, preserved railways and ships, social clubs, charities, church and village halls, the Scouts, WI... all run by volunteers locally at least, not as businesses.

How does anyone entrusted with any of this property, look after it in these restricted times?

It's hard to see logically why someone local can't pop in with one other (a spouse?) or alone but overseen by a safety contact by telephone, now and again to test smoke alarms, ensure no leaks or vermin, pick up letters, collect wind-blown litter, air the building for a couple of hours.

Yet officially this appears to be an illegal ' non-essential ' act, not deliberately so but because no-one in power realised that the country is awash with such voluntary activities and premises; all needing basic security attention, post collecting, and bills paying despite no income.

In not realising that, they would also have not known that these organisations all together must be of vast economic as well as cultural value to the nation.

What if a burglary, vandalism or a fire were to occur during this enforced neglect? Would the insurers entertain any claim? Of course not. They can hide behind force majeure ( or 'Act of God ' , the pandemic itself), and the neglect (ignoring its reason). They can refuse renewal let alone a claim if unpaid, even if because the notice was trapped un-read behind the club's locked front door - a hazard that club treasurers should bear in mind.

The insurance-companies' concern would not be for a society failing as a result, only for the lost premium income.

Raphael Golez06/04/2020 00:45:05
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If they only knew what we are facing and going through. People that don't follow simple rules to help us fight this pandemic will realise how serious this is. I have seen 32 new admitted patient on my last on call duty and 12 suspected COVID19. 8 pending, 4 positive and 2 sadly went. I have to face this day in day out, I see what it can do and instill great anxiety and respect (i would avoid saying fear). If they can only see what I can see then maybe they might decide to lock down themselves. I would again go to work tomorrow and do a head count. It is getting worse and we have to do our best. I can only say stay safe and follow the advice. We from the medical fields are trying our best to help and we are learning as we go along.

Edited By RAPHAEL VAL GOLEZ 1 on 06/04/2020 00:45:54

Swarf Maker06/04/2020 01:03:06
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Every thing that you Raphael, and your colleagues do, is truly appreciated by anybody with a modicum of understanding.

Unfortunately, circumstances such as these can illuminate the differences in both intellect and understanding across the wide ranging members of our society.

I sincerely hope that you and your colleagues remain safe, both for your own sakes and for the rest of us.

Chris Evans 606/04/2020 08:06:27
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A comment from another "Motorcyclist" I have been riding now for over 55 years and very rarely do I use a clutch for up changes on a bike. So much smoother without. Having said that I always use the clutch on my hand change bike.

Steve Skelton 106/04/2020 09:21:25
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Posted by Steviegtr on 06/04/2020 00:03:23:

Does anyone know if you buy a frozen item & the packaging is contaminated. When you bring it home & put it in the freezer, does that freeze the virus. Just for it to come back at room temperature. ?????

Steve.

Hi Steve, during a report on the BBC recently they said that, although their is no proof, the belief is that Coronavirus is not killed by freezing but just remains dormant. The advice is to wipe any packages with a disinfectant prior to freezing so that on defrosting (and it becomes active again) it is not transferred onto other surfaces if it is present.

Best to dispose of any cardboard packaging before putting it in the freezer.

Cheers Steve

Mick B106/04/2020 09:57:24
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Posted by Swarf Maker on 06/04/2020 01:03:06:

Every thing that you Raphael, and your colleagues do, is truly appreciated by anybody with a modicum of understanding.

Unfortunately, circumstances such as these can illuminate the differences in both intellect and understanding across the wide ranging members of our society.

I sincerely hope that you and your colleagues remain safe, both for your own sakes and for the rest of us.

Absolutely. We in lockdown don't see the agony in the hospitals and the homes of those in there.

The problem IMO is not lack of understanding - some of the rule-breakers probably have PhDs and better. In fact we've seen it in the Scottish MO.

It's ATTITUDE. Personal exceptionalism. "I can't see the harm, therefore there is none".

Dave Halford06/04/2020 10:14:55
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Posted by Steviegtr on 06/04/2020 00:03:23:

Does anyone know if you buy a frozen item & the packaging is contaminated. When you bring it home & put it in the freezer, does that freeze the virus. Just for it to come back at room temperature. ?????

Steve.

That's what a spray of detox as it was called is for Steve, cardboard or plastic, psst, sorted.

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