By continuing to use this site, you agree to our use of cookies. Find out more
Forum sponsored by:
Forum sponsored by Allendale Jan 24th

Coronavirus

All Topics | Latest Posts

Search for:  in Thread Title in  
Tony Pratt 110/04/2020 17:08:16
1122 forum posts
5 photos

Well said Martin!!

Tony

not done it yet10/04/2020 17:20:18
4629 forum posts
16 photos

Posted by jimmy b on 10/04/2020 16:39:06:

Hardly a case of money being saved.

We will pay for this, for a long time.

It wasn’t meant to be taken as a ‘money saver’, just that it may not cost as much as the headline figure in the long run - at our cost. Think about it.

The economy, in the longer term would benefit by some billions per annum - fewer outlays for the ageing population and a higher productivity per capita (maybe no more per working age capita). I hope it doesn’t come to that, but just read the government’s strategy on ‘controlling’ the virus. Pandora’s box might well already be wide open. We will see.

not done it yet10/04/2020 17:28:57
4629 forum posts
16 photos

For goodness sake don't lets start commodifying people.

Let’s not forget the alternatives put forward re hospitals not accepting coronavirus patients from care homes, that those over 75 would not be prioritised for ventilator use if the NHS were swamped.

Yes, we all have worth (some more than others) but potential prioritising exists. All the same, I’ll rest my case.

SillyOldDuffer10/04/2020 18:05:04
5746 forum posts
1211 photos
Posted by Samsaranda on 10/04/2020 16:13:48:

Dave (SOD), if I read your posting right the conclusion that can be drawn is that regimes that are open and liberal, e.g. USA and UK have fared relatively badly in preparing and managing the situation but regimes that are more authoritarian e.g. China, South Korea have controlled the situation much more quickly. ...

Apologies if it read that way, not my intention at all. While China is non-democratic and authoritarian, South Korea is a fully paid up western style democracy. You may be thinking of North Korea, which is an incompetent communist dictatorship run by a bizarre family dynasty.

My view is the style of government doesn't matter much when managing a pandemic. It's about timely delivery of effective action rather than politics. In this case, competence matters far more than loyalty to a Right or Left belief system. I suggest UK government has fully accepted the need to be pragmatic rather than insist on normal Conservative measures. I suspect governments main problem is flooring the accelerator only to find there's no petrol in the tank. Politics doesn't help when there are no masks, ventilators or tests to be had...

Dave

pgk pgk10/04/2020 18:05:21
1777 forum posts
287 photos

The NHS has always put a value on life - a necessary evil in the economic realities

Link - How NICE approaches value for money

The only 'good' thing about the enormous debts this disease is causing is that it affects most countries similarly so essentially the balance between them stays except those few countries with negative debt China, perhaps Germany and a few others. The sooner a country gets 'up and running' the better placed it will be to make headway in the race up the charts of power. That's why economies dithered over lockdowns and why they will still be considering the pros and cons of just letting things go rampant and get it over with. It's probably social media and associated public opinion that's holding many back?

However harsh that sounds the reality is that warfare comes down to economics. It's what lead to the collapse of the Soviet Union. It's what cost the UK the British Empire after 2 world wars. The Crusades failed due to greed. In Warfare it's more damging to the enemy to wound their soldiers than kill them - ties up resources and costs. The race between countries for trade and posturing for negotiating power tied to the strength of their economies has always been a form of warfare without overt armed conflict.

Boris experiencing a rough go through the disease may be benefit us with more sympathy and understanding.

It's all well and good arguing about a pandemic was forecast 'sometime' but so it the fall-out of climate change, terrorism, floods and other catastrophes. There isn't enough money to mitigate against them all.

Or indeed much that most of us can do to influence whatever comes next apart from following instructions. Everyone's life is finite so use it doing the stuff you enjoy.

pgk

Bill Phinn10/04/2020 18:47:25
316 forum posts
63 photos
Posted by pgk pgk on 10/04/2020 18:05:21:

apart from following instructions.

pgk

...and, in liberal democracies, challenging these instructions and sometimes not following them where they are found to be unlawful or unjust.

Former Member10/04/2020 18:56:15

[This posting has been removed]

Michael Gilligan10/04/2020 19:42:47
avatar
15664 forum posts
682 photos

NEWS : **LINK**

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-10/apple-google-bring-covid-19-contact-tracing-to-3-billion-people?utm_campaign=news&utm_medium=bd&utm_source=applenews

Make of it what you will ...

MichaelG.

Martin Kyte10/04/2020 20:56:27
avatar
1836 forum posts
33 photos
Posted by pgk pgk on 10/04/2020 18:05:21:

The NHS has always put a value on life - a necessary evil in the economic realities

Link - How NICE approaches value for money

pgk

That's not how I read it. The task of NICE is to maximise the good the NHS can do with finite resources or how to get the best possible return for the population with the resources it has at it's disposal. Certainly not an easy task or by any means exact. The ultimate restriction on what the NHS can do is how much tax all of us are prepared to pay but the certainly try and make the most of what they do get.

regards Martin

Oven Man10/04/2020 21:58:21
avatar
40 forum posts
6 photos
Posted by V8Eng on 10/04/2020 15:10:25:
Posted by modeng2000 on 10/04/2020 14:22:27:

I hope they don't use this as away of reducing the population to save building more housing.


With all these people of breeding age in many countries being locked in for weeks I reckon we will see a baby boom early next year.

Hope they’ve got plenty of Midwives trained.

Edited By V8Eng on 10/04/2020 15:11:26

Be interesting to see what the divorce rate does as well.

Peter

V8Eng10/04/2020 22:07:22
1431 forum posts
28 photos
Posted by Oven Man on 10/04/2020 21:58:21:
Posted by V8Eng on 10/04/2020 15:10:25:
Posted by modeng2000 on 10/04/2020 14:22:27:

I hope they don't use this as away of reducing the population to save building more housing.


With all these people of breeding age in many countries being locked in for weeks I reckon we will see a baby boom early next year.

Hope they’ve got plenty of Midwives trained.

Edited By V8Eng on 10/04/2020 15:11:26

Be interesting to see what the divorce rate does as well.

Peter

Rather more bad news is that domestic violence is apparently increasing during the lockdown.

Neil Wyatt10/04/2020 22:24:03
avatar
Moderator
17870 forum posts
705 photos
77 articles

On More of Less (one of the best programmes on R4 IME) the suggestion was it might go down as teenagers are less able to meet up, people can't get infertility treatment and people facing economic uncertainty try to avoid getting pregnant.

Neil

Neil Wyatt11/04/2020 18:19:19
avatar
Moderator
17870 forum posts
705 photos
77 articles

I found this inspiring. He's raised over £100K for NHS charities.

**LINK**

Neil

Steviegtr11/04/2020 18:21:56
avatar
1228 forum posts
115 photos

Wow. Bless him.

Steve.

Ady111/04/2020 19:10:33
avatar
3680 forum posts
514 photos

Saw not a few youngsters hanging out with each other while out today

This good weather is going to make things more difficult

Michael Gilligan15/04/2020 11:33:28
avatar
15664 forum posts
682 photos

This is [in my opinion] worth reading: **LINK**

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/copper-virus-kill-180974655/

... and yes, there is some documented scientific study being discussed.

MichaelG.

Former Member15/04/2020 12:13:09

[This posting has been removed]

Steve Skelton 115/04/2020 13:02:31
68 forum posts
3 photos
Posted by Michael Gilligan on 15/04/2020 11:33:28:

This is [in my opinion] worth reading: **LINK**

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/copper-virus-kill-180974655/

... and yes, there is some documented scientific study being discussed.

MichaelG.

That is why copper is used as an antifouling on boats (old sailing ships were copper-clad and hence the expression "Copper clad investment" and why an exposed copper wire along the ridge tile will prevent the growth of moss etc on tiles.

Steve

Former Member15/04/2020 13:58:39

[This posting has been removed]

Samsaranda15/04/2020 14:14:57
avatar
927 forum posts
5 photos

And the Duke of Westminster can only manage £12.5 million out of his £10 billion fortune. Well done Tom Moore.

Dave W

All Topics | Latest Posts

Please login to post a reply.

Magazine Locator

Want the latest issue of Model Engineer or Model Engineers' Workshop? Use our magazine locator links to find your nearest stockist!

Find Model Engineer & Model Engineers' Workshop

Latest Forum Posts
Support Our Partners
Allendale Electronics
Warco
emcomachinetools
Eccentric July 5 2018
cowells
ChesterUK
Eccentric Engineering
Subscription Offer

Latest "For Sale" Ads
Latest "Wanted" Ads
Get In Touch!

Do you want to contact the Model Engineer and Model Engineers' Workshop team?

You can contact us by phone, mail or email about the magazines including becoming a contributor, submitting reader's letters or making queries about articles. You can also get in touch about this website, advertising or other general issues.

Click THIS LINK for full contact details.

For subscription issues please see THIS LINK.

Digital Back Issues

Social Media online

'Like' us on Facebook
Follow us on Facebook

Follow us on Twitter
 Twitter Logo

Pin us on Pinterest