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Journeyman09/04/2020 10:08:25
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Posted by Michael Gilligan on 09/04/2020 10:04:29:

Passport Office staff told to go back to work

dont know

Methinks there may be ‘unrest’ brewing:

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52219930

Can't quite see the point of having a fully functioning passport office when no one can travel!

John

Edited By Journeyman on 09/04/2020 10:09:46

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Rockingdodge09/04/2020 10:40:04
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Might be looking to the future, once travel restrictions are lifted, whether in part or whole then there could be a mountain of expired passports needing renewal like yesterday with the public baying for blood because they can't travel!

Roger

RMA09/04/2020 11:33:52
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Unfortunately this country has avoided actual lock down. It would have made more sense to close everything other than hospitals and really essential services and we could have got over this a lot quicker, as S Korea did for example. Today airports are still open and the possibility of the virus coming in from Europe; USA and the rest of the world is highly probable. No arrivals are being checked, they are let loose into the community while we are all staying in obeying the rules!

Sheer madness in my opinion. An RAF A330 left Brize Norton yesterday and routed to Goa, presumably to repatriate people. This should not happen, unless these people have been tested accurately for now being immune (highly unlikely) they should all stay where they are.

Passport renewals are not an urgency!

Tony Pratt 109/04/2020 11:34:32
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I bet Myrtle Lloyd will be 'working from home', maybe her 2nd home?sad

Tony

mgnbuk09/04/2020 12:00:19
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So what part of YOU CANNOT TRAVEL does Myrtle Lloyd, the HMPO chief operating office not understand.?

Travel has very little to do with it.

Many Government processing organisations are being re-deployed to do Universal Credit application processing, so just because they are being told to go in to work does not mean that the work they are to be doing is their "normal" work. UC applications are up considerably (I saw up 850% mentioned last week) - DWP staff on their own can't be expected to process these applications as quickly as is needed, so other Government departments whose normal roles are not required (or have a much reduced workload) at present are being seconded to help out.

There is a bigger picture.

Nigel B.

Robert Atkinson 209/04/2020 12:49:17
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Posted by RMA on 09/04/2020 11:33:52:

Unfortunately this country has avoided actual lock down. It would have made more sense to close everything other than hospitals and really essential services and we could have got over this a lot quicker, as S Korea did for example. Today airports are still open and the possibility of the virus coming in from Europe; USA and the rest of the world is highly probable. No arrivals are being checked, they are let loose into the community while we are all staying in obeying the rules!

Sheer madness in my opinion. An RAF A330 left Brize Norton yesterday and routed to Goa, presumably to repatriate people. This should not happen, unless these people have been tested accurately for now being immune (highly unlikely) they should all stay where they are.

Passport renewals are not an urgency!

The plan was never to have total loss of tranmission / lockdown. The idea is to slow the infection rate so the NHS can cope. Same number of cases but spread over longer period. You have to have some transmission for this to work. If you had totl lockdown you would have zero new infections and then when you let pople out the number of cases would be just as bad as if you had done nothing and he NHS would still be overwhelmed.

Robert G8RPI.

Edited By Robert Atkinson 2 on 09/04/2020 12:51:47

RMA09/04/2020 13:19:24
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Posted by Robert Atkinson 2 on 09/04/2020 12:49:17:
Posted by RMA on 09/04/2020 11:33:52:

Unfortunately this country has avoided actual lock down. It would have made more sense to close everything other than hospitals and really essential services and we could have got over this a lot quicker, as S Korea did for example. Today airports are still open and the possibility of the virus coming in from Europe; USA and the rest of the world is highly probable. No arrivals are being checked, they are let loose into the community while we are all staying in obeying the rules!

Sheer madness in my opinion. An RAF A330 left Brize Norton yesterday and routed to Goa, presumably to repatriate people. This should not happen, unless these people have been tested accurately for now being immune (highly unlikely) they should all stay where they are.

Passport renewals are not an urgency!

The plan was never to have total loss of tranmission / lockdown. The idea is to slow the infection rate so the NHS can cope. Same number of cases but spread over longer period. You have to have some transmission for this to work. If you had totl lockdown you would have zero new infections and then when you let pople out the number of cases would be just as bad as if you had done nothing and he NHS would still be overwhelmed.

Robert G8RPI.

Edited By Robert Atkinson 2 on 09/04/2020 12:51:47

I'm sorry, but I don't think we had a plan! Enabling the NHS to cope is obviously necessary, but why were they so unprepared? The lack of basics such as PPE is unacceptable. When China released footage to the world of the desperate building of those hospitals in January, the rest of the world should have realised that this was serious.

As I said before, to keep reinfecting doesn't help at all. South Korea got back to normal very quickly, and now flights are again being allowed, they will have to be careful, to my knowledge they are testing at airports but my contact there hasn't reported lately.

Had the world sat up and taken measures at roughly the same time, we would all get over this a lot quicker. As it is, we will more than likely be staying in until the last country catches up. Try telling those who've lost loved ones that 'herd immunity' is a good thing!

A Smith09/04/2020 13:28:29
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There's a lot of misrepresentation going on by the politically motivated who care more about undermining the government than they do about people. That nasty diatribe, posted on here, about industry's involvement in production of ventilators was a good example. ("The Johnson MK1" etc)

Andy

Samsaranda09/04/2020 14:29:39
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I agree that our country appeared to be woefully unprepared for a pandemic and I hope those who neglected preparations are taken to task and learn from this situation. As regards the absence of total lockdown of the country it is the governments declared objective to achieve “herd immunity “ and the process by which this will be achieved will be with 80% of the population experiencing the virus, this may be not what the majority expect but the process of slowing the spread to ease the load on the NHS is part of the management that will achieve the objective.
Dave W

Martin Kyte09/04/2020 14:33:21
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Hi Guys

Things are moving apace at our Lab. Current update on work can be found here.

**LINK**

regards Martin

Tony Pratt 109/04/2020 14:42:36
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Worldwide every one & their dog wants PPE, mostly made in China I suppose?? Looks like every country has made mistakes & as always 'lessons will be learnt' ,scary & frustrating as it is we have to let the experts get on with it, so easy for us keyboard warriors to criticize.

Tony

Michael Gilligan09/04/2020 14:45:00
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An astonishing story, posted recently by Reuters : **LINK**

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-defences-i/pass-the-salt-the-minute-details-that-helped-germany-build-virus-defences-idUSKCN21R1DB

MichaelG.

mgnbuk09/04/2020 14:55:34
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I agree that our country appeared to be woefully unprepared for a pandemic and I hope those who neglected preparations are taken to task and learn from this situation.

Any preparation (i.e. stockpiling of PPE, purchase of testing & intensive care equipment etc.) would have had to have taken place well before the current situation started in Wuhan. It appears that most (if not all) of the required consumables are not made here, and when the problems started either the items could not be obtained (China - due to lockdown) or would not be supplied (certain European counties - due to export bans).

Preparations and/or an ability to be able to cope in future would seem to me to start with an ability to produce the items we need (or may need) here, without having to rely on others to provide them to us. Perhaps this situation will cause a re-think about "globalisation" - it does not appear to be serving us well at the moment.

Maybe such investment - in stockpiled items or increased medical & testing capability - should be considered part of the Defense budget, as it is obvious that not all threats towards the Country are of a Military nature.

Nigel B.

Neil Wyatt09/04/2020 15:18:11
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Anyone considering going shopping might want to try online.

I went on the Morrisons website before travelling, more in hope than expectation, and got a slot for 5:30 tomorrow, which saved me the journey.

Was able to replensish dog & cat food, loo roll and milk as well as some fresh food, although their stocks of fresh fruit and veg are very sparse. Onion soup anyone?

Neil

mgnbuk09/04/2020 15:32:37
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Was able to replensish dog & cat food, loo roll and milk as well as some fresh food, although their stocks of fresh fruit and veg are very sparse.

I did a shop at the local (West Yorks - not far from Morrisons head office) Morrisons for the MIL last week - fresh fruit and veg, meat & fish and in-store bakery bread products were plentiful, but no loo roll or flour. Can't find any type of flour locally.

Nigel B.

V8Eng09/04/2020 15:57:42
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Something that seems to be getting forgotten in the criticism of lack of PPE stock is that things like face masks have an expiry date.. You cannot therefore just fill a warehouse and leave it all there for many years just in case.

Rockingdodge09/04/2020 16:08:14
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Posted by V8Eng on 09/04/2020 15:57:42:

Something that seems to be getting forgotten in the criticism of lack of PPE stock is that things like face masks have an expiry date.. You cannot therefore just fill a warehouse and leave it all there for many years just in case.

You've hit the nail on the head, you can't prepare for pandemics when you don't know when or where they will happen, what products/ equipment you will need and in what quantity, the same as you don't keep and pay for an armed force to fight a world war.

What can be done and lessons to be learnt are contingency planning, ramping up production, production repurposing etc, really what is happening now but planned for and ready to be put in place when needed.

Roger

pgk pgk09/04/2020 16:32:45
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<<Hi Guys

Things are moving apace at our Lab. Current update on work can be found here.

**LINK**

regards Martin>>

Seriusly impressive science. Tell 'em we appreciate it.

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 09/04/2020 15:18:11:

Anyone considering going shopping might want to try online.

I went on the Morrisons website before travelling, more in hope than expectation, and got a slot for 5:30 tomorrow, which saved me the journey.

Was able to replensish dog & cat food, loo roll and milk as well as some fresh food, although their stocks of fresh fruit and veg are very sparse. Onion soup anyone?

Neil

They don't deliver here...
I drove to my nearest Lidl today and turned around when i saw the queue. Even with distancing one could imagine the cloud of virus hanging over their heads in the windless heat and a carpark unnaturally full for that store...
The last couple of trips out I've made have been on deserted roads but today the traffic was back to normal. Pre-easter shopping anyone?

pgk

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