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Steviegtr27/01/2020 14:40:55
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Posted by Swarf, Mostly! on 27/01/2020 14:35:50:

Hi there, all,

This has been an interesting thread so far. I do try to live and let live (honestly, I really do) but there are two things here that make me cringe.

The first is the confusion between arbor and arbour. An arbour is a clump of bushes with a garden seat in its middle.

The second is when posters mishandle quotes so that the quotation bar covers their own text as well as the text they are quoting. (The solution is in the right arrow key.)

These things crop up frequently but I try to refrain from posting about them.

Best regards,

Swarf, Mostly!

Edited By Swarf, Mostly! on 27/01/2020 14:38:26

Edited By Swarf, Mostly! on 27/01/2020 14:39:02

Ha Ha looks like i'm not going to Oxford to study English & spelling lessons.

Steve.

Ady127/01/2020 14:43:33
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At least in here it's pretty civilised

The BBC site is like ferrets in a sack most of the time and with thousands and thousands of posts each day

Never done Facebook but I can take a wild guess

Played "world of tanks" for a few months last year and ceased all chat/keyboard communications with other players within 2 hours of starting, the way they spoke to each other was brutal and shocking

Edited By Ady1 on 27/01/2020 14:48:18

Andrew Tinsley27/01/2020 14:44:40
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I usually find most people to be helpful and polite. There is a small minority who do annoy me, one in particular seems to have a degree or two in supercilious comment. For some reason he hasn't joined in this thread!

Andrew.

speelwerk27/01/2020 14:48:44
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Posted by Swarf, Mostly! on 27/01/2020 14:35:50:

The first is the confusion between arbor and arbour. An arbour is a clump of bushes with a garden seat in its middle.

For me English is not my first language, I do check several times my writing before posting but mistakes are easily made. As long as we remember that we al like working with our hands then (or is it than?) for me it is no problem. Niko.

Nick Clarke 327/01/2020 14:53:30
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I don't get it right every time!!!

BUT

  • I accept any information from someone else who has direct experience should be respected - but there may be another way as well
  • Any information from someone else with allied, but not exactly analogous experience may be of interest.
  • Comments that say 'it can't be done' or 'do it this way or you are wrong' should be treated with caution.
  • Contradicting someone from your experience is OK but knocking them isn't
  • Thread drift can often be interesting and fun

And finally anyone who hasn't exactly the same sense of humour as me should be taken out and shot now (That was another joke, by the way!)

David GW27/01/2020 14:57:53
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It’s much the same on any established forum, challenge any traditional method on the basis of accepted physics & logic and you’ll have half the forum on your back because their Dad’s Dad’s Dad did it that way and they don’t want you upsetting things. It’s all to easy to assume that because a person is new to a subject they’re new to everything, I’ve done it myself a couple of times when I’ve been the ‘knowledgeable’ one but rejoiced when out-manoeuvred by an upstart thinking outside the box for it is they who drive engineering forward. Pick out the answers you like by all means but rude people who hate everything can be cracking engineers too and may have your answer.

Neil Wyatt27/01/2020 15:12:31
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I think the joy of our hobby is that everyone's gear and experience is different. If you are a nervous beginner you might use lowers speeds and feeds that cause you problems a more confident old hand doesn't see. The state of your machines, the quality of your tooling and their age/sharpness,the materials you use, your personal standards for accuracy, surface finish etc.

There are so many variables, questions like 'what's the best machine/way to do this job?' the only certain answer is 'it depends!"

Neil

Howard Lewis27/01/2020 15:50:45
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Steve

Just accept that everyone on here has their particular field of knowledge, and ignorance.

Problems arise with those who don't know that they dob't know and try to impose their misconceptions on everyone else.

We all have our opinions, with varying degrees of logical and factual justification.

My background is essentially internal combustion engines and vehicles, so my knowledge of electrics and electronics is limited. So, I don't pontificate on how to mend the control board on a mini lathe. (I can just about understand that a triode, or a simple transistor, modulates the current flowing through the device; but not understand in detail how it does it. )

When I see a question or comment from someone who is an obvious newbie, I try to be helpful, based on my knowledge and experience. Sometimes, there is a post from someone who knows, or thinks that they know, better If it is obvious that the logic stream is wrong, or unfounded, I will differ, if only to set the record straight.

There is no point in spending time and effort in trying to educate the bigots. Life is much too short to waste time on them. That probably makes me one!

Rightly or wrongly, we all have different opinions, based on our experiences.

As an ex Myford ML7 owner, I differ from many, in not worshipping at the shrine of Beeston. That is purely my opinion.

There are many others who show their expertise by producing superb work from similar machines.

I have cut a few gears, but would never claim to be an expert on gears, or even capable of producing very good ones.

Perhaps the real skill is in being able to differentiate the dross from the gold. (There is a vast amount of that on here, if only you can spot it. ) The ability to recognise successfully grows as we become more knowledgeable and experienced.

Some comments will disagree with your statements. Some of those will be valid, others will not!

Filtering the good from the bad is part of the learning process.

You never win 'em all!

Howard

 

Edited By Howard Lewis on 27/01/2020 15:52:10

Mike Poole27/01/2020 15:56:08
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Picking holes in people’s English grammar and spelling is generally not done on forums. A few things annoy me but if people don’t know any better then they should not be picked up for their mistakes. Most people wouldn’t dream of correcting someone who gets things wrong in speech so as we are having a conversation and not an English lesson we should just let it go. Let he without sin cast the first stone.

Mike

old mart27/01/2020 16:17:56
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There's more than one way to skin a cat, goes the old saying. Some people stick rigidly to a generally accepted theory and it's obvious that they have not actually tried any alternative, rather like a religious dogma.

Mick B127/01/2020 16:25:17
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Posted by Mike Poole on 27/01/2020 15:56:08:

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Let he without sin cast the first stone.

Mike

Although 'he without sin' is the subject of the putative casting of the first stone, he's the object of the letting, and the accusative case is thus indicated - so it should be 'Let him without sin...' etc.

devilwink

Dave Halford27/01/2020 16:25:24
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The simple answer to this issue is if you yourself incensed by someones post then the forum supplies the answer the, 'ignore member' is at the bottom of each post.

That said if you have more than a couple set to ignore is just might be your more issues rather than theirs.

Howard Lewis27/01/2020 16:35:35
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Pedant alert Mike!

Whether "He" or "Him" may depend upon the interpretation made by whoever translated the text from the original Greek, or it may possibly have been Hebrew or Aramaic?

L O L as those who text say, I believe

Howard

David Noble27/01/2020 17:01:55
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Posted by Howard Lewis on 27/01/2020 16:35:35:

Pedant alert Mike!

Whether "He" or "Him" may depend upon the interpretation made by whoever translated the text from the original Greek, or it may possibly have been Hebrew or Aramaic?

L O L as those who text say, I believe

Howard

Lots Of Love ???

Bill Chugg27/01/2020 17:17:28
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Posted by Dave Halford on 27/01/2020 16:25:24:

The simple answer to this issue is if you yourself incensed by someones post then the forum supplies the answer the, 'ignore member' is at the bottom of each post.

That said if you have more than a couple set to ignore is just might be your more issues rather than theirs.

I admit to having just one member on this list as I got fed up reading his negative / putting member down posts.

Off topic I know, but sending members photos of sales items and getting no response at all, just happened twice to me, is disappointing.

Bill

Georgineer27/01/2020 17:48:21
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Posted by David Noble on 27/01/2020 17:01:55:
Posted by Howard Lewis on 27/01/2020 16:35:35:

Pedant alert Mike!

Whether "He" or "Him" may depend upon the interpretation made by whoever translated the text from the original Greek, or it may possibly have been Hebrew or Aramaic?

L O L as those who text say, I believe

Howard

Lots Of Love ???

Only if you're looking in the mirror, as mentioned in my earlier post.

George B.

duncan webster27/01/2020 17:55:39
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Posted by Mick B1 on 27/01/2020 16:25:17:
Posted by Mike Poole on 27/01/2020 15:56:08:

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Let he without sin cast the first stone.

Mike

Although 'he without sin' is the subject of the putative casting of the first stone, he's the object of the letting, and the accusative case is thus indicated - so it should be 'Let him without sin...' etc.

devilwink

If the grammar police are starting to query the King James Bible (John chapter 8 v7), perhaps they should consider whether they have got the rules wrong. If it is unambiguous and easily understood by a native English speaker, in my view it's correct. Different dialects have different grammar, get used to it. In Yorkshire we still use thee and thou, although 'thyself' is probably pronounced 'thissen'

Howard Lewis27/01/2020 18:17:44
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How did we start THIS hare running? We are even disagreeing over the quotation, but at least not the source.

So that probably means that I am disagreeing with some one.

Howard

blowlamp27/01/2020 18:24:43
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Posted by Howard Lewis on 27/01/2020 18:17:44:

How did we start THIS hare running? We are even disagreeing over the quotation, but at least not the source.

So that probably means that I am disagreeing with some one.

Howard

I don't think so.

Mick B127/01/2020 18:42:30
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Posted by duncan webster on 27/01/2020 17:55:39:
Posted by Mick B1 on 27/01/2020 16:25:17:
Posted by Mike Poole on 27/01/2020 15:56:08:

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Let he without sin cast the first stone.

Mike

Although 'he without sin' is the subject of the putative casting of the first stone, he's the object of the letting, and the accusative case is thus indicated - so it should be 'Let him without sin...' etc.

devilwink

If the grammar police are starting to query the King James Bible (John chapter 8 v7), perhaps they should consider whether they have got the rules wrong. If it is unambiguous and easily understood by a native English speaker, in my view it's correct. Different dialects have different grammar, get used to it. In Yorkshire we still use thee and thou, although 'thyself' is probably pronounced 'thissen'

Actually, King James rather neatly ducked the issue:-

So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

I wasn't really being serious, you know. laugh

Edited By Mick B1 on 27/01/2020 18:54:00

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