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SillyOldDuffer20/01/2020 20:37:04
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Posted by Derek Allum on 20/01/2020 19:14:33:

The chap I purchased the Unimat lathe off decided to have the lathe back and refund my money, So I have bitten the bullet and purchased a Cowells 90ME ( I think I need to have a lie down).

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Thanks Dell

Hurrah, that's a good outcome. A hard-nosed seller might have held you to the contract, but this chap has done the decent thing.

Is this a new Cowells you've bought, about £3000 with no accessories? Quite a jump from a second-hand mini-lathe! Nice machine, please share how you get on with it.

Dave

JasonB20/01/2020 20:41:51
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Posted by Derek Allum on 20/01/2020 19:14:33:

i am looking for some accessories for it the shaft is 14X1.5 if anyone has a chuck lying around they want to sell please PM me.

You would be better off looking for a M14 x 1 threaded chuck, anything else won't fit and you will have something else to send back. See Cowell's site for headstock details including spindle nose.

Michael Gilligan20/01/2020 20:54:36
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Posted by JasonB on 20/01/2020 20:41:51:
Posted by Derek Allum on 20/01/2020 19:14:33:

i am looking for some accessories for it the shaft is 14X1.5 if anyone has a chuck lying around they want to sell please PM me.

You would be better off looking for a M14 x 1 threaded chuck, anything else won't fit and you will have something else to send back. See Cowell's site for headstock details including spindle nose.

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Depends on the age of the lathe ...

[ I'm not sure what exactly you bought, Derek ... but here is the early spindle ]

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Michael Gilligan20/01/2020 21:15:31
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Posted by 34046 on 20/01/2020 21:04:58:

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The Cowells from memory is 14 mm by 1 mm ?, but I stand to be corrected.

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Bill,

Is now = Yes

Was always = No

See previous post

MichaelG.

Raphael Golez20/01/2020 21:16:40
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Hi Derek, the 14 x 1.5 spindle is the old version. Did you purchased the Cowells lathe in ebay that was sold lately with an indexed back gear? It is a very good example of the earlier version. The problem with it is finding a M14 x 1.5 chucks. It also have a fewer speed range as evident in the motor pulleys.

I have the newer M14 x 1 spindle. It also have a full adjustable micrometers on all handle and a reversing switch with a start stop buttons. The advantage of the newer spindle thread is you can fit the Unimat 3 chucks which are very easy to get. I was nearly tempted to sell mine but decided to hold on to it as it hold its value well especially the M14 x 1 spindle. I was also selling my full Unimat 3 lathe with Milling machine and with motor which is an excellent example. I was so insulted when somebody offered me 30 GBP for it. I know his plans as he buys it and sells it a a chopped parts for extortionate price. I know how much this lathes worth and with a top condition it commands a good price. I pulled it out as it looks perfect on my collection display. Enjoy your new lathe!

Raphael

 

Edited By RAPHAEL VAL GOLEZ 1 on 20/01/2020 21:24:14

Hollowpoint21/01/2020 00:15:35
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I know the guy selling the one on ebay and I have seen it in the flesh so to speak. It is definitely an m14x1.5 spindle. The lathe is in super condition, so if that is the one you have bought I doubt you will be disappointed.

And ive just seen it is now sold so take care of it because I know the owner was very reluctant to sell it!

peak421/01/2020 00:28:00
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Posted by Michael Gilligan on 20/01/2020 21:15:31:
Posted by 34046 on 20/01/2020 21:04:58:

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The Cowells from memory is 14 mm by 1 mm ?, but I stand to be corrected.

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Bill,

Is now = Yes

Was always = No

See previous post

MichaelG.

Agreed, when I bought my Simat in the early '80s it came with a 14x1.5mm spindle.
The 3 jaw and backplate came with it, but as I recall, I ordered the threaded body 4 jaw separately as an early Cowells type.

Bill

JasonB21/01/2020 07:10:50
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I thought the ME90 that was said to have been bought is the newer version not the 90 that the spindle drawing is for.

Michael Gilligan21/01/2020 08:51:19
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Posted by JasonB on 21/01/2020 07:10:50:

I thought the ME90 that was said to have been bought is the newer version not the 90 that the spindle drawing is for.

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Derek also specifically stated a thread size ... so we best await his clarification.

MichaelG.

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Edit: I’m a bit rusty on my Cowells nomenclature; so this  may, or may not, be relevant, but Derek actually wrote “90ME”

... update, for info. here is an advert from 2017 for an early version

https://pennyfarthingtools.co.uk/cowells-90me-lathe/2017/11/06/

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 21/01/2020 09:21:44

peak421/01/2020 13:13:00
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Just been to the garage to check my 4 jaw, assuming the Simat thread of my vintage (and they did change) is the same as the earlier Cowells then the following may be of use. I was told it was when I bought it.

It's M14x1.5mm

Pratt Burnerd
1528/65290
F04412

Bill

Andy Carlson21/01/2020 13:16:15
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I wouldnt get too hung up over nomenclature. Things did change over time anyway. Most people would call my circa 1978/9 Cowells a 90ME but I'm pretty sure it wasn't called that when it was born. The term '90ME' is quite often used very loosely (ahem... on eBay) to distinguish the backgeared screwcutting model from the CW (clock/watchmakers) and the former HS (high speed) models.

Derek did say M14 x 1.5 so I think he probably meant it. Chucks, faceplates and collet holders do come up on eBay from time to time. I think the name Cowells does add a premium to stuff on eBay though. Sometimes the seller doesn't know that there are two possible spindle threads (or three if you go back to Perris/Flexispeed days), so be careful there.

Of course the big advantage with a Cowells lathe is that you can still buy accessories from the factory (but not M14 x 1.5 chucks). Colin at Cowells will also sell you a new spindle with the M14x1 thread on it if you ask. It isn't cheap but if you do want to go down that route then it would be best to make that decision now before you invest in any tooling to fit the older thread.

FWIW my Cowells has the older thread but I wont be changing because it came with two chucks, a collet holder and a faceplate.

Regards, Andy

Pete White21/01/2020 14:02:11
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I have just read this thread, I hope your latest purchase works out well for you Derek.

Pete

Dell21/01/2020 19:36:11
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Hi all

thanks for all the replies and yes it definitely 14X1.5 and yes Hollowpoint it is the one you know although I didn’t pay what he was asking and he assures me it is in superb condition and if you know it that helps to ease my mind ( I hope it’s as good as you say) .

i have seen that it’s possible to change the shaft to the later one but I am going to see someone tomorrow as he said he should have most accessories that I need but it just depends on price.

As I said I haven’t used a lathe for about 50 years that’s why I tried to start with a less expensive ut it was not to be, I have two clocks that need new mainspring barrels as they are as hard to find as rocking horse poo but I will be making a couple in aluminium to get used to things before going to brass.

Thanks Peak4 I will check that out.

Dell

Dell21/01/2020 19:41:51
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A photo to show it is a 90MEd169a235-806f-43e4-9275-09cbf85b25a7.jpeg

Howard Lewis21/01/2020 19:57:56
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That looks a beauty!

So probably has not been abused, and is ready to plug in and play!

You and your grandson can now enjoy yourselves.

Howard

Andy Carlson21/01/2020 22:57:45
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My two pennorth on potential accessory acquisitions...

Not sure what your other vendor will have, in terms of things to go on the spindle the Pratt Burnerd 4 jaw is very nice and that would be my top priority if it is available.

3 jaw... depends whether you rate the modified Emco one that you already have. I have the Pratt Burnerd tommy bar chuck but I find tommy bar chucks a bit of a pain and I'd prefer the Toyo style keyed one.

Faceplate - not an everyday need but probably useful for occasional jobs if you have the opportunity to acquire it.

Collet holder - I use mine very little because the collets are Cowells specific and I only have 3 imperial ones. I plan to fit an ER16 holder when I get a round tuit.

Other than that most things can be had new from Cowells so it's a matter of going armed with some idea of what you want and a price that you could buy it for elsewhere.

Good Luck!

Regards, Andy

Colin Heseltine21/01/2020 23:48:44
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Hi there,

I also have a Cowells 90ME and this has the M14x1.5 spindle. One place you can try for spares is a site called Myford-lathes.com. It has no connection with RDG/Myford and is run by a guy called Howard. I have no connection to the site other than having bought a number of items off him for my machine. It is worth a call to see what Cowells lath parts he has in stock.

His numbers are: 01225 812155 or 07753 61042

Colin

Dell22/01/2020 12:01:40
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Today I went to see Howard at Myford-lathes and purchased three jaw chuck (not Pratt Burnerd to much money for now) but Cowells , Collett chuck, Jacob drill chuck and arbor, live centre, dead centre, this will get me up and running and I just need to keep my eyes open and go to tool fairs.

The lathe came just before I went out so I haven’t unpacked it yet more to follow.

Dell

Dell22/01/2020 17:20:38
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f394def0-385a-4d47-8df0-1a27057b78b6.jpege53c5c2b-c51e-437a-83d7-1cf275130039.jpegbb5fe1b8-6c59-4172-b143-0894cefdacad.jpegb2738934-b42c-4ffe-8536-7defcff72275.jpeg8a0f00f6-f7bc-42c9-8a16-adee566d7e87.jpeg8937e2d8-c25e-4e6f-88a8-7d02837572db.jpeg4c4b39ab-b712-4c96-b843-d35ab763527b.jpegSorry the chuck is a Pratt Burnerd but made for Cowells.

i have now unpacked the lathe and it is as good as he said it was I am very happy ( eventually), I thought I would post some pictures.

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