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Can Anyone Help Me to Identify This Very Old Boiler Please?

I have an antique boiler I know nothing about - appeal for information

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Hattie Goodale14/08/2019 04:13:44
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Please can anyone tell me anything about this boiler? I know nothing and have scoured the internet to no avail. I need to talk to a real person with real knowledge and experience. There is no maker's plate or identifying mark. I feel like it must be quite old as it has some very archaic features, for example the sliding cast iron balls to control the uppermost valve. I have always assumed it's from a steam engine - is this correct? How old might it be? What was its purpose? How did it work? Is it British or perhaps from another country? Who could have made it? And finally how much might I reasonably expect to sell it for? Any and all information would be most gratefully received. Many thanks in advance

Hattie

3404614/08/2019 08:20:52
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Difficult questions. Some dimensions would help.

Bill

Hattie Goodale14/08/2019 16:43:34
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Ah sorry I forgot, size is roughly 32 inches tall (including chimney), by 10 inches diameter. Thanks for replying.

Hattie

3404614/08/2019 17:10:31
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Thanks Hattie - big help.

Bit larger than the boilers I play with but to start the ball rolling - my thoughts are :-

Coal fired from around say 1880 - 1920.

It would have been used to supply to a small steam engine used to power a lathe or similar.

Looks a commercial item , no idea on maker - would guess at British.

Value - no idea - if you want to move it on then perhaps the dreaded ebay where it may well find its own level.

Hopefully a more knowledgeable member will respond. Meanwhile I will see what I can find out for you.

Bill

Edited By 34046 on 14/08/2019 17:14:14

Clive Brown 114/08/2019 18:16:48
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Nicely made, but as a steam producer, I would expect its performance to be poor, only the central flue for heat transfer, unless there are cross tubes in the firebox. I can't see a steam off-take either.  What's it made of?

I've no real idea, but might it be some type of "novelty" hot -water urn for making tea in the workshop, heated by coal or, less smokey, charcoal?

This thought was prompted by the generously sized tap by the foundation ring.

Might be of interest to a collector of mechanical bits and bobs.

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Edited By Clive Brown 1 on 14/08/2019 18:21:59

3404614/08/2019 18:40:03
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Clive

It could easily be multi tube which is what I would expect

Steam take off missing puzzled me - unless it was never finished and unused

Water level plugs are ther as well as drain down

Not sure about the fitting below firebox door ?

Can you look in from the bottom of the boierl hattie to see if ther is a grate and if you can see some smller tubes >

Thanks

Bill

Clive Brown 114/08/2019 18:58:34
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Bill,

Reason for saying there aren't tubes is I can't see any sign of a smokebox tubeplate. Neither is there any access for cleaning assuming its solid fuel The safety-valve passageway would also have to pass through the smokebox, but this could be the case I suppose

Boiler could be filled via the safety-valve.

3404614/08/2019 19:06:55
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Fair comment Clive.

Ideally Hattie, can you take a picture of the bottom of the boiler please., ie lie it on its side and take out the grate then photo or tell us what you can see please ?

Also a closer picture of the bit below the firebox door would help

Thanks

Bill

Edited By 34046 on 14/08/2019 19:07:24

Pete Rimmer14/08/2019 19:28:19
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I think that is one of those ones you have to give a good kicking because someone dropped a screwdriver in the safety valve.

3404614/08/2019 19:38:21
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Something else - should there not be a ring of rivets above the firebox door holding the bottom plate in place ?

Bill

JasonB14/08/2019 19:46:37
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Could be built along the lines of a Merryweather boiler where you would not see the tubeplate as it is a smaller diameter than the boiler shell. Plenty of cross tube boilers about where you only have a ring of rivits top and bottom sucjh as this

Edited By JasonB on 14/08/2019 19:52:10

SillyOldDuffer14/08/2019 21:14:09
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Posted by Clive Brown 1 on 14/08/2019 18:16:48:

Nicely made, but as a steam producer, I would expect its performance to be poor, only the central flue for heat transfer.... I can't see a steam off-take either. ...

I've no real idea, but might it be some type of "novelty" hot -water urn for making tea in the workshop, heated by coal or, less smokey, charcoal?

...

Good points! Reminded me that steam was, and is, used for many purposes other than powering engines. The lack of a steam outlet suggests to me this is a process steam boiler, perhaps a pressure cooker, more likely an autoclave.

Dave

Hattie Goodale16/08/2019 02:34:19
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Dear bill, Clive, Dave, Pete, Jason

Thanks for your thoughts. Can't say i understand all of your conversation, but interesting and enlightening nonetheless. The body of the boiler is cast iron about an inch thick. The taps are brass. The top chimney looks like a later addition, as it lifts off to reveal about four inches of pipe with a thread, but the chimney is about an inch wider in diameter than the pipe so it does not screw on, it just sits on top of the tank. I can only post photos here that are already online (on eBay), so I can't show you that. I have added here a photo of the inside, which is completely hollow - I suppose it must be missing maybe a copper water tank? As there is currently nowhere for it to hold water. There is a grate for fuel which comes in two so that it can be lifted out of the door.

Thanks again to all for your input, much appreciated.

Hattie

FMES16/08/2019 06:11:23
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I don't think it was for steam, looks similar to the old Geyser hot water boilers - large tea urn??

Regards

JasonB16/08/2019 07:19:14
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It is not actually 1" think, from the bottom you can see a tell tale line of the inner tube, same around the firehole. If it were solid there would be no need for rivits around the bottom or fire hole. Hattie, this shows a section through a typical boiler, you can see how there are "spacers" between the inner and outer walls creating a space for the water.

boiler section.jpg

It is certainly missing some form of base as you would have needed room for air to get in under the grate. The lack of other holes is odd, the two brass "test cocks" part way up would have been used to gauge the level of the water between the two skins of the boiler, safety valve is obvious. The larger of the two bottom fittings looks like it may have been used to draw off hot water as the handle suggests more frequent use than a blowdown valve that is just used at the end of the day to clean out the boiler.

 

Edited By JasonB on 16/08/2019 08:57:38

3404616/08/2019 07:55:05
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Hattie - an ebay listing number would be good.

Thanks

Bill

not done it yet16/08/2019 08:31:15
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I think it is likely a North American continent item. Doesn’t appear to be on epay uk.

JasonB16/08/2019 08:40:34
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" I have always assumed it's from a steam engine"

Suggests Hattie has had it for some time, and not yet listed it as she is enquiring what price she may expect it to sell for. Obviously if it can be described correctly she will hopefully get a better price which is why we get so many "what is it" questions.

Edited By JasonB on 16/08/2019 08:43:13

3404616/08/2019 08:45:11
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It would help if Hattie could say if she is in USA or UK ?

Bill

3404616/08/2019 08:47:21
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Jason - Hattie says above

I can only post photos here that are already online (on eBay), so I can't show you that.

I cannot find it on ebay UK

Bill

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