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Anyone recognise this mains connector ?

And where can I get the mating connector

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Simon036228/07/2019 22:04:52
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hi all,

i bought this little furnace for what I consider to be a bargain 15€ but I don’t know what the connector is...

the furnace was bought in France, apparently of German manufacture and helpfully, the date stamp is missing but I guess its 70s unless anyone knows better.

Pins are 6mm diameter and roughly 20mm apart

Connected it up with a botch job to confit works, need to do so more safely now.

As ever, the aid from fellow model engineers is very welcome. Simon

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Emgee28/07/2019 22:21:16
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Looks similar size to the very old type kettle connectors that were 2 pole with scraper earth, probably not any around these days.

It may be better to fit a permanent cable to the furnace via a gland and fitted 13A plug with fusing to suit.

Emgee

Edited to include:-

I have asked a friend in Germany if that type of connector is still available, will know in a few days so if you want to stay original he could send to you at cost of part and postage.

Edited By Emgee on 28/07/2019 22:52:51

Mike Poole28/07/2019 22:33:37
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+1 for old style kettle and coffee maker type equipment. Unless you really want to keep it original I would go with Emgee and hard wire it or fit a modern euro style connector, be aware there is a hot condition version with an extra notch for kettles but the regular version is rated at 6A which would be ok for the 900W load you have.

Mike

Packmule29/07/2019 14:42:24
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Looks as though one of the orange cut cable connectors sold in b&q may fit

Simon036229/07/2019 14:58:45
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Thanks for the suggestions so far but since I am also based in France, I need a replacement that I can either buy over the web or get directly.

Looks like it isn't very common though...

3404629/07/2019 15:08:03
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We had one years ago on a kettle.

It was a black bakelite plug with the lead at something like 30 degrees to the pin and a metal strip down each side for the earth.

Bill

Engine Builder29/07/2019 15:43:00
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Not much help to you I'm afraid but I have an Efco oven like that. The connector is made of porcelain to withstand the heat. it has a simmerstat in the lead as a temperature control.

There is no access to the other side of oven connector so

replacing it as some suggest s not an option.

I have the original instruction book it's in German.

Edited By Engine Builder on 29/07/2019 15:44:19

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Stuart Bridger29/07/2019 16:44:21
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looks like the Efco 110 is still a current model.

**LINK**

The design may have changed, but you may be able to get some assistance from the manufacturer

Stuart Bridger29/07/2019 16:58:28
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Further info, there is an image here, confirming it is a ceramic connector.

**LINK**

You also need an external temperature controller

Michael Gilligan29/07/2019 20:56:42
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This is probably worth bookmarking for reference: **LINK**

https://www.plugsocketmuseum.nl/ApplConn_overview.html

...it's a fascinating site, and well organised.

MichaelG.

Robert Dodds29/07/2019 21:21:46
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Simon,
Is this assortment of any use. I can't find dimensions on the site but could be worth a call or email to check dimensions.

https://www.pmseurope.com/collections/electrical-plugs

Bob D

Bandersnatch29/07/2019 22:00:47
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Posted by Michael Gilligan on 29/07/2019 20:56:42:

This is probably worth bookmarking for reference: **LINK**
https://www.plugsocketmuseum.nl/ApplConn_overview.html
...it's a fascinating site, and well organised.

It is indeed a fascinating site, Michael ..... thanks for that.

yes

Grindstone Cowboy29/07/2019 22:05:31
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Probably not much help but I used to have a waffle-maker from South Africa with that type of connector - don't know if they are still in use over there?

Mike Poole29/07/2019 22:12:48
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**LINK**

this German supplier still makes these plugs, there is a silicon version to stand 200°C. They are linked to at the bottom of Michaels link.

Mike

Max Tolerance29/07/2019 23:07:20
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The plugs are still available and used widely in industrial heating applications. Typically on injection moulding machines and plastic blown film lines, but also on any item where things get hot. Try R.S. or google industrial heating element suppliers. They are normally two piece ceramic with the brass or plated socket pins sandwiched between the two halves and with a stainless or aluminium shell. Though some can be found made of a temperature resistant plastic/ fibrous material instead of the ceramic. They are available in male and female forms though the female is most common. I have found old versions of these made with imperial pins 1/4" but your furnace obviously has the metric pins. Normally silicone sheathed heat resistant cable is used with these plugs and in some cases glass coated high temperature wire. The silicone stuff is good for maybe 250 degrees C and the glass covered wire can easily stand 800 / 900 degrees C. Important if you accidentally drop some hot metal on it.

All the plugs I have seen are rated at 250 volts,

Nick Clarke 330/07/2019 09:42:07
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Posted by Packmule on 29/07/2019 14:42:24:

Looks as though one of the orange cut cable connectors sold in b&q may fit

While it may physically fit the two pins it will not have the earth connection to the body of the oven connector, so not recommended.

Simon036230/07/2019 09:44:43
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Thank you everybody for your input and comments:

@engine builder, @stuart bridger, thanks for confirming its a ceramic connector

@Michael, I cannot believe that you managed to find such a site - geeks of the world unite! (on a side note, we have visited a museum of combs and a museum of the corkscrew down here - the comb one was good, the corkscrew one not really)

@Robert Dobbs, great, thats the one!

@Mike Poole, @Max tolerence, also great, I will follow up

Proof once again that the ME site has a wealth of knowledge waiting to be tapped!

Robert Dodds30/07/2019 11:46:38
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Simon,

The pity is your plug will cost more than the furnace!
But C'est la vie.

Bob D

Robert Atkinson 230/07/2019 12:24:56
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Google DIN 49 491 and see if a local supplier comes up.

EDIT Don't forget to give those pins a good clean before you plug you new connector in even for a trial.

Robert G8RPI.

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Packmule31/07/2019 16:50:18
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Casterama is French equivalent of B & Q

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