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Robert Turner 120/07/2019 14:48:47
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Hello all

I recently saw these two machines for sale near Hamilton, Ontario. The seller describes them as Vertical and Horizontal universal Milling Machines, made by Tourdiamants of Switzerland.



Looking at the pics, I can't identify how they work or what they are designed to do! has nothing on this manufacturer, and a web search brings up nothing, so does anyone have any ideas what they actually are?

The seller also has Hauser and Sip no.3 jig borers and a Kneller lathe for sale, so he is clearly a specialist toolmaker.

John Reese20/07/2019 15:50:39
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I would guess they are from the watchmaking industry.

Clive Foster20/07/2019 15:52:35
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They both have a certain Aciera / Deckel air about them with the workpiece mounting system overhung off a vertical dovetail.

I'd guess both are set up to generate offset curves of a range of radii on smaller workpieces. The top one in particular with two rotary devices and a plethora of slides looks immensely capable if you have the imagination and visualisation skills to make the right movements.

I'd have serious comments about the intellect, personal habits and ancestry of the engineer who designed something that actually needed to extensively exploit the capabilities of such machinery.

Such work is very much a CNC thing nowadays.


Tommy Jobson20/07/2019 16:47:22
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I agree with Clive, that has a feeling of Aciera about it. An F2 (ish) with modifications perhaps?

Michael Gilligan20/07/2019 17:10:37
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Have a browse through this lot, Robert: **LINK**

You should soon get a general understanding



Edit: I've just found the advert ... looks like a very good price if they are complete and undamaged.


1 horizontal and 1 vertical universal milling machine for sale,all swiss precision. Models are T2E They have drawbar SHAUBLIN W12 collet spindles .Make is Tourdiamants,Swiss. Same quality as Aciera and Schaublin machines Vertical is $1250 and horizontal is $850 .They are a steel at these prices Both machines have both screw feed and hydraulic feed to the longitudinal travel.


... I presume he means 'steal'

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 20/07/2019 17:17:04

Robert Turner 120/07/2019 18:57:14
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That's the one Michael! I did a bit of digging, and the seller is an horologist called Edmund Zygowski. He has a business called Motion Workshops.

I had a look at the Motionworkshops Facebook page, and he looks like an incredibly skilled guy.

Oh, and yes.... whenever I want to dream, I go onto the Anglo-Swiss website and drool at the Astoba UW1. The last one I saw for sale was £18,000, so I think I will keep dreaming.

Paul Lee 305/08/2020 21:31:35
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Edmund Zyvowski is not just an horologist but the best. His work surpasses your average clock repair service. Edmund has designed and created some remarkable clockwork throughout his career and continues to do so all using his imagination. If anyone knows clockwork its Edmund. Reputed and very very highly recommended for any work needed on restoration of antique clockwork or complete new builds.

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