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John Paton 107/06/2019 14:43:53
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Posted by Bazyle on 07/06/2019 00:57:03:
Posted by John Paton 1 on 06/06/2019 23:10:45:

So even a licensed flyer will be unable to access maps online showing restricted airspace.

Logically that should be the first improvement to make and it would cost virtually nothing.

Er no, that would be seen as highlighting the targets for the wallies who want to fly near them. Eventually Ordnance Survey maps will become prohibited. The clue is in the name.

Some of the modellers have apparently forgotten that we used to have to have a radio control licence. I think I remember paying £3.50 in the late sixties which would be £35 now. Also said licence was restrictive to just a 5 mile radius around my registered address.

Wise words Bayzle.

Off topic I know but the 5 mile radius bit is a red herring. It related to radio transmission and risk of interference (in days before superhet receivers) and nothing to do with flying models per se.

It applied to land and water vehicles also and prohbited use to control fixed appliances.

How things have changed since those days of super regenerative receivers where you could only operate one radio model at a time and a range of 100 meters was considered excellent. Remember the Radio Modeller Singlet homebuild design and rubber band powered Elmic escapements? I think I still have mine in the loft!

I remain of the view that there are two problems regarding drones:

1. Disruption due to reported devices which are being innocently flown in unsuitable areas but which pose no criminal threat. Freely available maps showing restriced / no fly zones will help here as currently the information is not readily found.

2. Controlling activity with criminal intent - the licensing proposals are unlikely to help much other than to support a minor prosection for what in fact was a non malicious event as in 1 above. Maybe the regulations are aiming at the wrong target.

John Paton 107/06/2019 14:48:20
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Posted by not done it yet on 07/06/2019 12:02:57:

Andrew Evans,

I was not making any point about guns or cars or drones (one drone could kill a whole plane load of passengers and crew, as well as people on the ground). They were examples of where the criminals or lunatics simply ignore the rules.

Pistols, which were banned in the UK after Dunblane, were virtually all used for target shooting. You cannot suggest that many of them were owned for killing people, can you? There are probably more illegal firearms available to criminals these days than there were back when they were banned.

The ban on automatic assault rifles, after Hungerford, was overdue. There was no excuse for assault rifles to be available to anyone outside the armed forces.

You must live a sheltered existence if you have never heard of stolen vehicles, joy riders, people caught driving with no licence, instances of imposters taking driving[ tests for others, driving while banned and a host of other offences. Even cases of getting others to take the rap for their traffic offences (back in the news today - the Peterborough election result after the outed MP was found guilty of lying)

I most certainly would not suggest that people should drive illegally. But they do

Twin Towers comes to mind also!! (that was not an aeromodeller as far as I recall)

Autonomous drones must create a real headache for the authorities as there is no transmission to monitor.

John Pace09/06/2019 10:10:02
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For those of you who wish to there is a petition to
oppose this proposed drone and model aircraft
registration here at

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/259863

Please take some time to fill it in and pass this on.

John

V8Eng09/06/2019 10:15:19
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Signed.

Doubletop09/06/2019 11:13:53
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We are having a similar debate here in NZ following the Christchurch tragedy. The government quickly introduced a ban on automatic weapons and will introduce gun registration. The pro-gun lobby trotted out similar arguments about criminalising law abiding people and suggested criminals wouldn’t bother handing in their weapons or registering them.

Surely the point is that everybody that registers would potentially be off the list of suspects and the authorities will only have to spend their time dealing with the small percentage that don’t comply with the regulations.

Those of us with steam engines join a club and pay subs so we can get our boilers tested and approved for public use. We do it because we have to if we want to be safe and be insured to use them in public. Surely its much the same arguments for model aircraft?

Pete

Ian S C09/06/2019 14:22:24
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Members of model aircraft clubs pay a membership fee, and as members have training classes, and are schooled up on CAA regs covering their sport. There is quite a bit on "drones" in the Wings over New Zealand web site, I tghink it's in the NZ Civil aviation section.

I know that there are some model aircraft in the Christchurch club that could in the wrong hands do major damage.

Ian S C

vic francis09/06/2019 19:32:20
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Its typical bureacracy of this Country; knee jerk reaction; I guess they must be seen to be doing something... hence these ill thought out solutions... another example is Defra wanting to ban the use of household coal... as reported on the bbc; heritage railways are up in arms... would they then have to import it?? ... or shut up... the worst thing with bureaucracy is ; their own failure to admit they are wrong....

vic

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