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Cornish Jack18/05/2019 13:23:02
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From another website - **LINK**

Any thoughts??

rgds

Bill

Harry Wilkes18/05/2019 14:09:08
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Wait for someone else to decide if it's worth a £1 to look surprise

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John Haine18/05/2019 14:31:31
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Why bother, go straight to the source.

**LINK**

More snake oil. The only interesting thing is that people still believe this c**p.

Cornish Jack18/05/2019 14:36:25
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£1 to look ????? Is there a paywall? None from here.

The article looks at the use of rare earth magnets used (in opposition ?) to generate useful power.

Does this work?

**LINK**

rgds

Bill

mike T18/05/2019 15:39:25
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Ha ha, When I worked for BAE SYSTEMS we had a mad inventor guy who contacted us, offering to reveal the secrets of 'Magnets of the push kind' , which he had just invented, if we paid him a few quid.

Mike

pgk pgk18/05/2019 16:10:39
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I always assumed that monopoles were a sci-fi construct but a quick search shows that they are an accepted requirement for unified theories and searches are on-going.....?

As for this chaps 'earth engine' it has to be a con but one wonders where the financial reward is - perhaps like the moller flying car it's all about shareholders throwing money at him for as long as the con can go on...

pgk

Neil Wyatt18/05/2019 22:03:50
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youtube is full of faked perpetual motion machines.

The world is full of the gullible who want to believe in flat earths, faked moon landings and anything that breaks the 'dogma' of science.

N.

Hopper18/05/2019 23:23:32
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We know it can't be true because if it were, the oil companies would have bought up the patents and buried them for all time, just like they did with the engine that runs on water, the engine that runs on petrol vapour etc etc . wink

Cornish Jack19/05/2019 11:54:22
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From the vantage point of 'O' level General Science nearly 70 years ago, I bow to all of the above. However, I seem to remember that the world of professional Physics can prove that the bee is incapable of flight (or was it some other insect?) Just saying wink wink

rgds

Bill

SillyOldDuffer19/05/2019 12:09:08
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Posted by Neil Wyatt on 18/05/2019 22:03:50:

youtube is full of faked perpetual motion machines.

The world is full of the gullible who want to believe in flat earths, faked moon landings and anything that breaks the 'dogma' of science.

N.

I find the rise of anti-science, hatred of technology, and the deliberate rejection of facts quite worrying. Listened to a chap on the Radio recently explaining with utter conviction that it was most important to be in touch with your conscience. Snake Oil thinking isn't going to fix global warming!

I suspect it's more to do with power than gullibility. People don't like being ordered about, they don't like knowing they're ignorant (as we all are), and they do like the idea understanding doesn't matter because specialists sometimes make mistakes too. It's so much easier to believe everything is 'simples' than it is to understand challenging subjects well enough to debate them sensibly, or to expose one's own shortcomings. That politician may be a obvious bozo but I'll vote for him because he talks my kind of bollocks!

Alas poor humanity. Ignoring facts has a long history of ending in tears...

Dave

Ian S C19/05/2019 12:12:48
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You'r right Bill. it's the bumble bee, nobody told the bumble bee it couldn't fly.

Over the years we'v had numerous experts on the Stirling Engine Forum with ideas of how to get more out of a Stirling Engine than they put in.

Ian S C

Hopper19/05/2019 12:23:53
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Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 19/05/2019 12:09:08:...

...It's so much easier to believe everything is 'simples' than it is to understand challenging subjects well enough to debate them sensibly, or to expose one's own shortcomings.

The Dunning-Kruger Effect at work: "... people with substantial, measurable deficits in their knowledge or expertise lack the ability to recognize those deficits and, therefore, despite potentially making error after error, tend to think they are performing competently when they are not ..."

That's the science of it.

Simon Williams 319/05/2019 12:34:53
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"Earth Engine operates on the same principle as the ‘Slingshot Effect’ space travel phenomenon," (Quote taken from their web site, link above).

Which would be fine, except the sling shot effect to which they refer does NOT violate the Law of Conservation of Momentum, nor Energy. So much for that explanation!

And the fact that this has absolutely zilch to do with the hypothetical existence of a magnetic monopole simply compounds the felony.

At least snake oil might have had a placebo effect.

Rgds Simon

Brian O'Connor19/05/2019 18:57:52
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To slightly misquote H L Mencken, "There is always an easy solution to every human problem - neat, plausible and wrong".

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JA19/05/2019 20:37:46
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People, even educated people, WANT to believe in this stuff.

Perhaps it is to escape reality but it is rather terrifying.

Cornish Jack20/05/2019 12:28:36
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My original posting was looking for comments or a reasoned rebuttal (which I was totally incapable of providing) in a forum with many well qualified to do so. Pity it didn't happen!

However back to the source and this was posted :-

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Originally Posted by Haraka View Post
As a kid I thought I had invented a similar type of system,but it required the geared intervention of an interrupter plate that blocked magnetism .....That was after my attempt to square the circle. (which also went down in flames) .

I also had the same idea as a kid, what is interesting is that I was in college before I finally found an answer to where the 'hidden loss' was that would keep it from working given lossless mechanical perfection, probably not exact but close enough:

Any material that can block magnetism will have induced eddy currents that will create a drag, hence the action of moving the interrupter plate requires more energy than it would if not in a magnetic field.

Even though I knew it would not work I asked various science teachers what the flaw was and none had an answer other than it would not work. I figure out the answer on my own while taking some long forgotten course.

One of the reasons that the 'inventors' of free energy devices get as far as they do is that they rely on the classic "show me why it wont work" (other than conservation of energy of course) rather than proving it will work.

As to Steorn, I believe they may have genuinely thought it was real, my theory on why it failed outside demos is that they were unknowingly tapping energy from the slightly unbalanced magnetic fields of a nearby high tension transmission line. "

Thanks to MurphyWasRight

rgds

Bill

Andrew Tinsley20/05/2019 13:34:27
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If you believe in quantum theory, then there is a very large amount of free energy in the vacuum. Anyone that can extract it will make a fortune.

A good many startling advances in science have been made by people who are not experts in the field. maybe they have a wider perspective than blinkered specialists.

Andrew.

Phil Whitley20/05/2019 20:07:54
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The steam engine was invented , built and used in many forms without any knowledge of thermodynamics, in fact the science of thermodynamics was based on the study of working steam engines. The electric motor was invented by Michael Faraday, who was a well trained book binder who was employed by Sir Humphry Davy to write up and bind his notes. Science and scientists have a very poor record of invention of anything in common use today. It is the people who constantly test the laws of physics and experiment that make the breakthroughs, those who stick within the orthodxy of science discover nothing.

SillyOldDuffer20/05/2019 21:07:05
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Posted by Phil Whitley on 20/05/2019 20:07:54:

The steam engine was invented , built and used in many forms without any knowledge of thermodynamics, in fact the science of thermodynamics was based on the study of working steam engines. The electric motor was invented by Michael Faraday, who was a well trained book binder who was employed by Sir Humphry Davy to write up and bind his notes. Science and scientists have a very poor record of invention of anything in common use today. It is the people who constantly test the laws of physics and experiment that make the breakthroughs, those who stick within the orthodxy of science discover nothing.

A very unfair criticism of science because the goal of science is understanding, not inventing! It's other people, like engineers, who exploit scientific understanding by inventing new things or improving old ones.

Dave

John Haine20/05/2019 21:16:21
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Science makes progress by dreaming up silly ideas and trying to prove them wrong by doing experiments. The ones that survive are often very useful. Humphrey Davy by the way invented an oil lamp that saved the lives of countless miners.

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