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JasonB04/03/2020 20:54:43
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I wanted an oval shaped base for a small model so decided to use a bit of Corian. I cut a rectangle a little over the desired 80mm x 60mm and drilled the holes for mounting the engine which were then used to hold the part onto a block of aluminium that could easily be held in a vice and allow the edge of the tool to be used without risk to the jaws.

Profile is with a 10mm 4-flute carbide cutter running at 5000rpm and feed rate of 450mm/min, full 12mm height and 2mm per roughing pass with a 1mm to finish.

The moulded edge wa sdone using a router but at a slow 5000rpm and the same 450mm/min feed, I would usually be running this at 20,000rpm plus in a router but it gave a good finish at that feed rate.

Only downside is the confetti that is attracted to any surfaceangry

Ron Laden05/03/2020 05:33:22
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There are two things I like about it Jason, it's not wood and it's not round. Nothing wrong with a round wooden base of course but I think it good to see something a bit different now and then.

You have mentioned Corian before I will have to see if I can find someone local and get some offcuts.

John Haine05/03/2020 06:48:29
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Corian is lovely stuff to machine, even at low speeds - also fine with normal milling cutters. Local guy round here does Corian kitchen & bathroom surfaces, has a skip full of stuff too small for his uses but plenty big enough for many ME bits.

JasonB05/03/2020 07:05:47
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Ron, I have shown it being used in several builds, couple more engine bases including one early in this thread, Basis for an old style knife switch and several times as an insulator for ignition parts. As John says it is nice to machine but can be a bit brittle and snap if you use it for the wrong part.

You may also like this which is neither wood or round. wink 2

Joseph Noci 105/03/2020 07:09:41
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Hopefully not to far of topic - does go on about Corian though...

I use Corian for moulds for the wings and fuselage of the small UAV below - Corian is fantastic for this. Holds a very fine edge very well in machining, and imparts that same fine edge to the composite in the mold. Corian also polishes up very well, and will leave a glossy finish on the molded product. Molds were made on a large CNC machine, for wings and fuselage. The Wing upper mold took 8 hours, the lower, 5 hours. Fuselage halves took 6 hours each. Wing has 3meter span.  The molds are rigid, no bend of flop to them, and very stable under temp - we bake the mold with internal composite parts at 90degC for 2 hours - the molds hold the shape very well. Really an amazing material. The molds for this plane are at the workshop and I find I have no photos of them! - I will get photos at some point if anyone is interested.

Joe

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Ron Laden05/03/2020 13:23:54
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Will have to get some, I can think of a few uses for it but no I wont be making a toilet seat though it does look good.

I think I remember a curved lid which you made for a box, that was impressive also.

Ron

JasonB08/04/2020 17:13:31
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The current lockdown has allowed me to spend a bit more time on the darkside

I was not going to bother videoing this but with the other thread about profile cuts thought I would. I did two tool paths in F360, one a roughing contour leaving 2.5mm stock all round and then the final contour taken at the full 16mm depth of the material in 0.5mm depths with a 0.25mm finish past & a spring pass which was not really needed. However I actually did the roughing on the vertical bandsaw to a Sharpie line drawn around a paper template so only needed to run the second path.

This shows the smaller of the two parts which is tapped and screwed to some scrap being held in the vice so the tool can extend just below the bottom of the work.

This is the larger part being milled with one of ARC's 10mm dia aluminium specific cutters running at 4000rpm and feed at 300mm/min. Quite pleased with the finish from what is a quiet well used cutter as you can see from my finger reflection if you skip to the end.

It was then mounted the right way up to mill the "S" shape on what will be the side.

Can you tell what it is yet?

The crank disc in the photo above had the recesses either side done on the CNC as did the cylinder end cover and its boss which were both shaped at the same time.

J

Ron Laden09/04/2020 11:26:06
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Nice work Jason, great finish on the aluminium. I have no idea what it is except there are some interesting shapes there especially the piece next to the cylinder

Baz09/04/2020 12:28:11
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I know what it is! It’s Jason’s next build thread complete with drawings👍😄

JasonB09/04/2020 13:05:22
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You'll be lucky!

Ian Johnson 109/04/2020 14:38:36
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Nice work Jason and that 's' shaped piece was held nice and firmly by those two screws thumbs up

Ian

Sarah09/04/2020 15:07:18
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Hi,

I have had a break of a few years using my KX1 mill and one job I wanted to do last time I used it was to check the spindle speed, I always thought it was on the low side. As I'm waiting for some new cutters I did a spindle speed test and got the following results. I did check the tachometer on a couple of other machines and it seems quite accurate.

Requested RPM Actual RPM

1000 831
2000 1721
3000 2573
4000 3422
5000 4318
6000 5223
7000 6007

I was surprised it was that far out. I found an article on KX1 motor tuning and tried to adjust the spindle motor movement profile. I increased the Velocity and was pleased when I achieved 7,000rpm within 50rpm. I saved the axis settings, pressed okay and went back to the normal display. Unfortunately next time I selected a spindle speed it had dropped again. I checked the spindle motor movement profile again, it had retained the new Velocity figures but the Step Pulse had changed from 4us to 3us. though I tried quite a few things I cant get Mach3 to retain the Step Pulse figure. The setting were: Steps per: 100, Velocity 6000 (changed to 7800), Acceleration: 500, G's: 0.050988, Step Pulse 4 (system changed to 3).

Has anyone else changed the spindle speed ? There are a few variables on the Motor Tuning page, but I dont know what they really do and I'm reluctant to change things that I don't understand in case I damage anything.

i would again be grateful for any help.

Many thanks,

Sarah

Andrew Johnston09/04/2020 15:15:21
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I managed to fine tune spindle speed some years ago in Mach3 and I don't recall it being that difficult. However I was using the Tormach version of Mach3, so that might have been subtly different. I no longer have the system as I now use Tormach PathPilot; altogether leaps and bounds ahead of Mach3. I'm amazed the speeds are so far out. I think mine were only a percent or two. I wanted them accurate for use with a tension/compression tapping head.

Andrew

JasonB09/04/2020 15:33:41
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Have not felt the need to check the speed of my KX3 but will get the tacho out tomorrow and see what it is running at.

Don't suppose you have hit the 10% override a couple of times?

Sarah09/04/2020 15:40:54
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i was surprised as well that the speeds are that far out. I did think it was simple, I just changed the Velocity value from 6000 to 7800 and it was just right. It just wouldn't retain the pulse width value, I tried saving the values in slightly different ways but I couldn't get the pulse width to stay at 4us. I did wonder if the difference in velocity values was responsible?

I didn't hit the over ride, just double checked anyway.  I would be grateful for your Mach3 settings.

Regards,

Sarah

Edited By Sarah on 09/04/2020 15:57:56

Ian Johnson 109/04/2020 17:02:43
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Hi Sarah I adjusted the top speed of my KX1 from 5000rpm to 7000rpm! It was an easy process in the settings and I don't remember altering the pulse settings, but it was a long time ago and I've had a sleep since then!

I rely on mach 3 to tell me what revs the machine is doing. Might be time to check my machine too!

Ian

Sarah09/04/2020 17:46:59
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Hi Ian,

Would you be able to let me have your settings please 😊

The pulse settings changed them selves from 4us to 3us after I increased the velocity, which then put the speed back down. Jus coildnt get them to change back to 4us.

 

Thanks.

Edited By Sarah on 09/04/2020 17:47:44

Adam Stevenson09/04/2020 19:05:26
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You will need a speed testing device to check the speeds. Click on the config menu and select the Motor Tuning item. This will bring up the Motor Tuning window.
Next click on the spindle button THIS IS IMPORTANT.
Now if the spindle is running slow then you will need to increase the velocity and decrease it to slow it down.
(Required Vel) = [Required RPM] X [current Vel] / [Measured RPM]
Click on SAVE AXIS SETTINGS and then on OK then enter 1000 in the speed DRO and test the spindle with the speed testing device.
You will have to adjust this a few times till it's within 10% (100rpm).
Then test other speeds like 2000, 2500 and 5000 [Older KX3 is 3500 max] again these should be within 10% of the speed if not try adjusting the velocity by just 1 or even 0.1
It pays to check the settings have been saved after any changes as different computers read the XML files differently.

Andrew Johnston09/04/2020 19:17:25
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I suspect that what I did isn't relevant. Looking at the manual I changed a parameter in a settings folder to get a specific frequency shown on the VFD display. So clearly I'm running an induction motor. I don't know what motor the Sieg machines use.

Andrew

Sarah09/04/2020 19:32:28
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Hi Adam,

Thank you for typing all that in 😊 That's the procedure that I used, worked fine as I increased the Velocity value until it was within 10 rpm, then I pressed the Save Axis Settings and Okay. Back at the main screen I types in the speed required and it sounded a bit slow again. I tacho'ed it again and the speed had dropped. When I checked the Motor Tuning and Setup screen it had retained my new Velocity figure, but the Step Pulse had dropped from 4 to 3us. Changing it to 4 brought the speed back up, but whenever I left that screen it reverted to 3us. Got quite frustrated!

I don't know if I need to alter the Steps per parameter?

Regards,

Sarah

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