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from a 3.5 inch Gezina to 5 inch tramway Plettenberg locomotive

a conversion from a narrow gauge to tramway locomotive

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Werner Schleidt20/03/2019 19:56:36
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Hello all,

this is a discription of my work , a conversion from a 3.5 inch Gezina to a 5 inch Tramway locomotive.

All starts with the question to steam friend " do you still have the boiler ?"

The answer was yes . This was the start oft the project.

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The parts look nice, but more then 25 years old. In the beginning I thought if its possible to keep the green house, but it was very fast clear that makes no sense.

The front

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After the decision to look to a tramway locomotive I made very fast the decision to build the locomotive Plettenberg. She is in preservation at the museum railway Bruchhausen-Vilsen in Germany.

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This was a good decision,because I have The Chiemseebahn and a freelance Wiliam Wilkison tramway locomotive build and constructed.

Werner

OldMetaller21/03/2019 05:15:08
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Hello Werner, I will follow this thread with interest as I love tram locomotives!

Good luck with the build!

John.

Mark Gould 121/03/2019 08:55:31
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Looks great Werner, I look forward to seeing more!

Werner Schleidt21/03/2019 19:34:38
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Many thanks for your replies.

I will update my work .

The next step was looking if the boiler is OK . For that I had to make several plugs with M8*1 thread.

I had to learn that teflon tape which tighten with M8*0.75 without problems with M8*1 there were the problem that the tape was shift off the thread and the tighting was only by chance. I had to do it several times,perhaps the fit of the thread was to good.

All of the valves I found in the added box ,but they were internally not ready made. It was not a problem to fix it ,but only work to do. At the picture all valves are in place and the boiler is OK a good step forward.

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The next step was to make the new 5 inch gauge frame. So I disassemble all parts with the exeption of the wheels. The profil and the diameter was not useable. In the time between I ordered my material and I had to keep in mind ,it was late in November 2018, that over the year when i have time that all important materials are there. for the frame and the housing.

I build the frame in a simple way similar to the principle of my Maxitrak Ruby. That means the rear axle is fix in the frame and the front axle is tiltable. That worked on my locomotives relativ good even on not good prepared tracks.

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I tried to reuse as much as possible .It was not easy to align all properly. The plans from the Gezina was not very helpful,because the cylinder tighting sketch at the frame was not there. And the guy who build that 25 years ago had not the same hole layout on both cylinder. The wheels had a greater diameter and so I had to arrange all new. But with some patience bot sides got together working. In mid of december the first turns of the wheels were achieved under air pressure.

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It was noticeable that the cylinder needs a lot of air and the compression was low. I tried to see what happens with a lot of oil.

The system behaviour was better ,but I can see that there was leeaking oil out of the cylinder a leak was recognized.20181215_100149.jpg

The cylinder were build up with a combination of materials and were silversoldered together. I had to disassemble it and softsolder it steam tight. By stripping all off and out I saw that the pistonring with teflon tape has no connection to the cylinder bore. I machined a new groove to fit a teflon ring with an Oring for static pressure.

With this setup the cylinder had a lot of compression. That was really good .This action I have done on both sides and then I put all together . What a difference in the behaviour after that repair.

will be updated

Werner

Werner Schleidt26/03/2019 19:19:41
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Here is the next update.

The boiler was aligned at the frame to see where the pipes and attachments have to go.

This was an iterative process, because my plan is only the photo in the rear .

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The the footplate on the frame were build.Screwed with many M2 Screws countersink type.

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The boiler attachments were arranged and Iwant to use as much as possible from the old frame.

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The housing was constructed with brass material .I ordered at the dealer as much as possible cuted in the correct dimensions I measured from the photo. Step by step it came to the look of the original locomotive.

The brass for the roof I had to order later ,because the correct dimension were only visible and measureable in this stage.

In the time between till the ordered parts arrived,, I completed the frame with valves steampump ,bypass valve,,watertank between the frame and so on.

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Here is the water tank between the frame visible and the pipework for water and oiling the axles. For all attachments I tried to install it in a way that service is good possible.

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That is not easy to achieve ,because in further steps there are some attachments were screws are blocked.

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The homemade oilpump with ratchet mechanism. The toothwheel have to have more teeths. In this configuration it is a litle bit dificult to adjust it.

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On the right side is an automatic blower valve. This valve open and close pressure dependant the blower .For small boiler is this a good attachment, because is much easier to fire. And it is good if you have a coffee break then you could come back and the fire is still alive.

Werner

Jon Lawes26/03/2019 19:54:03
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I don't think I'd be going off for a coffee break with a lit fire!

Werner Schleidt26/03/2019 20:22:15
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It is shure to keep an eye on it ,but you can take a short break and you are not forced to look to the pressure cauge, the safety valve and so on permanent. I have tested it with an other small loco . With the steamp pump on in slow movement and enough coal in the fire box, the system can work for till an half hour with nearly nothing to do.

Otherwise you blow the water out by the safety valve ,the fire is dead or there is no water in the gauge.

Werner Schleidt28/03/2019 20:36:24
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This is the boiler on the driver side.The reversal handle was not ready at that time.

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I tried to use the same setup of valves and handles as I have on my other locomotives.

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All necessary attachments are there some refinements have to made later before painting.

For my opinion it looks pretty much the same like the Plettenberg at the photo.

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The spark arrestor was very difficult to make. The small pipe and the bell are whithout function.

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Now with the nameplates on the side. The have been made in etching technic.

With good wheather the next step is testing under steam. Then I will see whath happens. With air pressure I made tests on the table and they were sucessful.

Werner

Jon Lawes28/03/2019 20:39:07
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Looks fantastic Werner, sehr schön.

OldMetaller29/03/2019 07:10:13
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Wow! Amazing work Werner, that looks wonderful!

John.

Werner Schleidt07/04/2019 08:48:19
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Hello all , here is an update of my work.

The Plettenberg was now two times under steam with good experience. But, as you all know, steam is in everytime good to get new expereience. By the first heat up the pressure gauge was defekt. I let the fire go down and I had luck that I had a replacement.. With the replacement all work was straight forward. And the first ride was succesfull.

I ordered after that a new pressure gauge and I added an additional check valve to  the Injektor pipe to the boiler.

With this setup the injector worked very good from 3 to 7 bar from low to high water in the water gauge.

The loco run very good I was satisfied ,but there is room for optimization. The safety valves I will change to pop action , because they open good but the closeing is sometime late.

The hand valves have to be optimized ,because they are not satisfiing steam thight.

Overall i am very fine with the behaviour of the Plettenberg.

To give you an impression I made a video from the build in the workshop and the run in my garden.

 

Werner

 

Edited By Werner Schleidt on 07/04/2019 08:50:45

OldMetaller07/04/2019 11:19:30
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Excellent work Werner! You have a nice railway. What is the first piece of music on your video, please?

Best wishes,

John.

Paul Kemp07/04/2019 12:09:21
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Werner, very nice, looks to steam very well. I like that steam pump runs very smooth at low speed. I take it from the flange squeal you are running on steel rail in your garden?

Paul.

Werner Schleidt07/04/2019 12:33:17
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Hello Paul,

the flange squeal is from the steel rails on steel slippers. It occurs In the range of the gras. In our well water for the garden we have some iron therefore this part is brown and the rails are steel with zinc coating. With a few drops of olive oil on a brush ,greasing the flange where it sqeaks , this is gone. This time I forgot this to do. I was hot testing the Plettenberg.

At my track there is an inclination of 2 to 3 % and in combination with that narrow curves ( radius 5m) it is with steam not easy to drive. My experience is ,if i can drive at home, I am able to drive on any club track. It is an ideal test track.

Werner

Paul Kemp07/04/2019 13:33:18
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Werner,

Looks a very nice little track and with the tight curves very prototypical. The flange squeal adds to the atmosphere! On heritage railways over here they are sometimes using graphite blocks which are sprung loaded into the root of the flange from a holder to provide 'lubrication' and extend the life of the wheel profiles by reducing wear. Might be something to experiment with on your home track to save the olive oil.

Paul.

Ron Laden07/04/2019 14:14:52
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Very nice indeed Werner, I agree with Paul the flange squeal adds to the atmosphere. I am very envious of your garden railway and its also complete with a turntable, very nice.

Ron

Werner Schleidt07/04/2019 17:14:34
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Hello Ron,Paul ,

thanks for your ideas regarding the noise sqeuals. This track was originally planned as a small test track and then my at that time 10 years old son and I had some ideas. And so we developed the layout. The turntable is necessary to come to the fire up and service stand in the corner. We have to cut three trees and smaller ones. Then we thought we have to have a station house. So the wooden house was build. It was a little bit an overkill,but whitout railway driving it is good to use for other purposes.

I use this track more as a test track and not very often. My problem is, I have more ideas then time.

Werner

Werner Schleidt16/04/2019 18:22:14
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Hello all,

after a testride in the garden about 1 Km ,perhaps with less oil on the crosshead, I had an accidenttal blocking of the left crosshead. There was no movement possible. It was like welded.

Could someone give me an advice how much play I have to have that oil can grease?

I made a shim of 0.1 mm and add this for more side lash. Is there a rule of thumb? Years a go where I am not able to work such precise I had less problems,but rattling. smiley

Werner

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