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peak426/12/2018 16:57:39
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I've been having a bit of a play this afternoon as the weather wasn't up to much.
Rather than hijack the other thread, which was asking specifically about the Sealey SMS2008 drill sharpener, I thought I'd start a new one for a quick comparison.


Maybe others could contribute some ideas and photos to this thread, so that it could be used for reference and learning.

Doubletop-Pete commented, in the above thread, that he felt that his Sealey was taking off too much metal; so was mine out of the box, albeit a second hand box.

Sliding the wheel towards the motor, will reduce the depth of cut on the primary grind, as it's a tapered wheel.
It's a bit of a fine line as moving the wheel also affects the split point grind.

As you can see from my efforts, I've not quite got it right yet, but even 1/2" bits ground like this, will start off without a pilot hole or centre pop, though I accept the latter's bad practice.
Sorry about the quality of the photos. I was trying to do it in natural light in the conservatory, but it was starting to get a bit dark.

The whole project took rather longer than planned blush

I sharpened several 1/2" bits using;

A Sealey SMS2008,

A brand new genuine Picador jig; Note that the Picador jig has the vertical pivot, and in theory at least, should work OK out of the box. Drill bit orientation is set by a movable detent on the flute to be ground.
I used 1/4" projection beyond the end of the jig, as recommended for larger drill bits.
It's a different geometry  to the various clones with the tilted pivot.

A Reliance No.2 (which needs the bit cutting edge setting by eye). On this one it's recommended to use a projection of three times the drill diameter, so in this case  1 1/2"


The two jigs (Picador and Reliance) were used on a cup wheel on a Clarkson cutter Grinder. (As you can see, the wheel's a bit coarse really, but it's all I had available at the time.)
The new Picador had a bit of play in the mounting foot, as it's only held together with a cask Mazak name plate, so I temporarily nipped it up a bit with a little toolmakers clamp.

I don't claim to be any expert at drill sharpening, but am generally considered reasonably dexterous. I'm sure many on here get perfect results freehand; I know can't crying

Left to Right, Picador, Sealey Split Point, Sealey Plain Grind, Reliance, New Unknown Make, New Unknown Make Four Facet, and lastly a New Presto 7/16" ( I didn't have a new 1/2" one).

The middle one, ground on the Reliance, was an older Morse tapered one which doesn't look to have had the flutes ground very well from new, hence the odd side view of the relief.

Side View;drills-1 bc260095_dxo-small.jpg

Top View;drills-2 bc260098_dxo-small.jpg

Picador;photo-1 picador bc260099_dxo-small.jpg

Sealey Split Point;photo-2 sealey split point bc260100_dxo-small.jpg

Sealey Plain Grind;photo-3 sealey 1st grind bc260102_dxo-small.jpg

Reliance No.2;photo-4 reliance bc260106_dxo-small.jpg

Unknown Make New(ish) Commercially Ground;photo-5 commercial bc260107_dxo-small.jpg

 

Unknown Make New(ish) Four Facet Commercially Ground;photo-6 commercial four  facet bc260104_dxo-small.jpg

New(ish) Presto 7/16" (enlarged to similar size for comparison);photo-7 presto bc260105_dxo-small.jpg

 

 

Edited By peak4 on 26/12/2018 17:19:39

Clive Foster26/12/2018 17:46:33
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Interesting results.

I also did the "take out the pivot play" thing on a Picador. Discovered that the darn thing worked better with things "as delivered" slack. With the play taken out there isn't quite enough clearance angle at the a back of the flute with larger drills. From memory the effect starts to bite around 3/8" - 7/16". 1/2" drill ended up really sharp on the edge but barely, if at all, cut once fully engaged due to the back of the flute rubbing. Poor thing got a 5 years + stay in the box after that before I decided to give it another go following the instructions rather than improving things. Sometimes the maker does know better and sometimes crude works where precise doesn't.

Essential to make arrangements to accurately and easily adjust the distance between drill jig base and grinding wheel without things twisting and sliding every which way. Mine sits on a scrap of 1/4 plate bolted to the bench with 10 gauge side-plates to keep the jig straight. Wort thing then is getting the projection and angle of twist right. That darn location finger is rather un-useful. Mine gets done more or less by eye with the finger as a reference rather than a stop. I found a narrow, 1/2" or so, cup wheel more reliable than just using the side of a normal wheel.

When it comes to drill setting and location the cheap plastic, but rather decently performing, one in the original Plasplugs multiple sharpener set is the best I've seen. Positive stop for the projection with a sliding Vee gauge to set the angle of twist. "Grip the drill gently in the Vee holder and lightly push it forwards against the stop then turn until gauge is at it's lower point. Then tighten up the drill holder so that it is firmly held." Drill holder fits in the grinder proper both ways up so none of this business of trying to set the second edge exactly 180° to the first. Just grind one side, flip the whole darn thing and do t'other one. Genius. Why aren't they all made that way. Pity flexi plastic construction and trying to make the thing for thruppence three-farthing when fourpence ha-penny would have been a better budget makes getting best results a minor art.

In the process of making the missing bits for my "wallet came out smoking" Clarkson drill sharpener attachment right now. 3 years marinating in t'cupboard is about par. Be interesting to see how well the professional option works.

Clive.

Doubletop26/12/2018 19:38:46
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Posted by peak4 on 26/12/2018 16:57:39:

I've been having a bit of a play this afternoon as the weather wasn't up to much.
Rather than hijack the other thread, which was asking specifically about the Sealey SMS2008 drill sharpener, I thought I'd start a new one for a quick comparison.


Maybe others could contribute some ideas and photos to this thread, so that it could be used for reference and learning.

Doubletop-Pete commented, in the above thread, that he felt that his Sealey was taking off too much metal; so was mine out of the box, albeit a second hand box.

Sliding the wheel towards the motor, will reduce the depth of cut on the primary grind, as it's a tapered wheel.
It's a bit of a fine line as moving the wheel also affects the split point grind.

...............

Edited By peak4 on 26/12/2018 17:19:39

Great thread. I'm going to have a play with my Sealey 2008 clone today. The realisation that the ginding wheel position was adjustable and would affect the depth of cut is the basis of my investigation . I have an idea of an approach to doing the basic setup without making it hit and miss. I'll see it there is a way of ensuring the split point still works. It may be a case of the best compromise position of the wheel to accomodate both.

Pete

Henry Brown12/04/2019 19:38:05
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Very interesting, following with interest as I'm in the market for something to do a better job than I do at present...

Dave Halford12/04/2019 20:58:28
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The depth of cut on the Sealey and the like is set by how far the drill sticks out of the holder, all you need to do is stick something on the metal pad, like layers of sticky tape for eample no need to mess with the wheel position.

BTW you can buy new wheels for them.

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