|Brian Oldford||08/11/2018 18:42:55|
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ITYF railway signally equipment is also exempt too.
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Bought 500g of 60/40 leaded solder about 2 minutes ago from Zoro.
I am now sitting here trembling waiting for the dreaded knock on he door.
I will have nearly 1 kg when this arrives which should see me out!
|Russell Eberhardt||08/11/2018 19:08:38|
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I've not seen solder loaded ones but the plain copper ones would be "raccords à souder". They are normally silver soldered here, hence the easy availability of oxy acetylene gear in DIY stores.
|Dave Halford||08/11/2018 19:18:31|
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It seems a little OTT when almost every per 60's house in Britain has an average of 10M of lead pipe feeding the drinking water
|Neil Wyatt||08/11/2018 19:27:05|
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Perhaps that explains why so many of us are losing our marbles!
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Does anyone know the composition of Carr’s Solder Paint, how much lead does it contain, if any .
|Kiwi Bloke 1||08/11/2018 20:14:10|
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Crikey! Lots of churches have lead roofs. Think of the volume of toxic water run-off when it rains. No wonder the surrounding ground is usually full of dead people...
|Michael Gilligan||08/11/2018 20:19:20|
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|Michael Gilligan||08/11/2018 20:23:25|
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Certainly some, if their web page is to be believed.
Having never used it, I have to ask: What is so special about it to justify the price ?
Edited By Michael Gilligan on 08/11/2018 20:30:34
|Ian S C||09/11/2018 09:56:11|
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There's been a bit in the paper, and on the radio/tv news about excess lead in some water taps being sold in NZ, how much lead do you get out of the kitchen tap? It's brass, and probably chrome plated.
What happens when someone dies because something banned was not used and it's replacement failed.
I suppose that these health and safety bloke have not found out that air is not good for you, everyone that breaths dies.
Ian S C
|Adam Stevenson||09/11/2018 10:47:26|
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Wait till they find out how bad dihydrogen monoxide is, every one that comes into contact with it will die at some,point. Too little or too much you die.
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Totally off-topic, tenuous link : Someone in our local planning department must have a sense of humour. When they built the new police station in town someone specified copper sheeting for the roof . . . I'll get me coat . . .
|Mark Rand||09/11/2018 11:00:00|
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Considering that a third of a million tons of lead were introduced into the environment via tetraethyl lead in motor cars every year for a number of decades, any toxicity worries regarding solder are complete and utter paranoia. Similarly, the existence of lead water supply pipes is not a significant issue except in areas that have acidic water that hasn't been chlorinated. It should be noted that areas that do have acidic water use lime beds at the treatment works to reduce corrosion of the steel water mains and that chlorine injection is standard practice in the UK.
It isn't the mandarins in the EU, it's the typical British over-enthusiasm for implementing regulations For The Good Of The People.
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Solder isn't particularly toxic in use or in soldered joints. The problem comes later! When old electronics corrode in land-fill, lead compounds leach out into the water table, and eventually find their way back to us via food and drinking water. The process can take several decades. The risks aren't to individuals using solder, the risk is to the population later. Similar issue to my car. My little car isn't a pollution problem, it's the other 30,000,000 in the UK causing the trouble!
How serious a problem Lead in water pipes is depends mostly on how acid the water in your area is. Not so likely in the UK, but there are many good examples in the US. In Flint, Michigan, a slapdash decision to switch water supply to a cheaper source (an acidic local river requiring extra chlorination), caused lead to dissolve in the city's pipework on a large scale. Apart from long term ill-health, General Motors stopped making engines in Flint because the water damaged the parts leading President Trump to remark "It used to be that cars were made in Flint and you couldn't drink the water in Mexico. Now cars are made in Mexico, and you can't drink the water in Flint. That's terrible." Later, President Trump blocked publication of a report into 3000 other towns and cities in the US that may have similar problems with lead due to ageing pipes - it's a political hot potato. The cost of the Flint mistake will be over $1Bn and the 100,000 people who live there will be cooking with bottled water for another 6 years.
Bottom line with toxicity - you have to watch out for things that eventually affect large numbers of people as well as chemicals that are an instant and bleeding obvious hazard. It's an area where personal experience counts for little - you have to look at the statistics., and even they can be misleading.
Blaming Brussels is misunderstanding what's going on. If it was EU madness, then the rest of the developed world wouldn't also be introducing similar restrictions. Sadly we can't go back to the carefree days when a bit of pollution didn't matter.
Edited By SillyOldDuffer on 09/11/2018 12:19:02
|John Reese||11/11/2018 02:39:27|
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Here in the US lead bearing solder and leaded brass fittings are banned on potable water systems, and rightly so. We are not prohibited from using lead and leaded solder for other purposes. Our free machining steels contain lead.
We do have a few nutcase bureaucrats making idiotic rules. In California coffee must be labelled as possibly carcinogenic.
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Dangerous stuff. Remember the Titanic? The sooner it's removed from our oceans the safer they will be.
|Speedy Builder5||11/11/2018 07:26:15|
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Lead leaching back into the ground, where did lead come from in the first place ?
|Russell Eberhardt||11/11/2018 09:57:06|
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Would we be here if it wasn't present? Interesting article:
|Michael Gilligan||11/11/2018 10:43:58|
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Very interesting, Russell ... thanks.
This line got me thinking [concurrently] about cholesterol problems and plastic water pipes:
[quote] Diets containing about 850 ppm of lead produced normal results. They found that piglets fed on a similar lead deficient diet even when allowed to feed ad libitum suffered from a 16% reduction in growth rate and there were abnormalities in the metabolisms of cholesterol, phospholipids, bile acids and also of sodium, potassium, zinc, copper and manganese. [/quote]
... Which is probably not something I have done before.
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