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Alibre Atom3D

Thanks to the generosity of Alibre, Model Engineers' Workshop Magazine is able to offer every reader of Model Engineers' Workshop a free six-month licence to Alibre Atom3D. Alongside this great opportunity, starting with issue 274 of Model Engineers' Workshop we are running a detailed tutorial series in the magazine. This page will be the 'hub' for links to example files, tutorials and more so make sure you drop in regularly to keep up to date!

Nick James29/01/2019 14:47:02
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Hi Neil,

Sometime ago I had reason to email a drawing to someone who did not have the software to open it (QCAD in this case).

I was able to save the file as a PDF which almost any one can open. I tried using PDF publish on Alibre anf it worked ok with a 3D drawing but will not work with a 2D drawing. I have latest update of Foxit reader installed but have removed any Adobe software as it seems to cause trouble. I get the message "No PDF writer was detected. Please retry after installing one". If I look at Alibre System Options - Drawing - PDF. it shows Active PDF Writer as being "Foxit reader PDF Printer Driver" only. Any help would be appreciated.

I'd like to add that that I am very impressed with Alibre atom3D so far. A bit of a steep learning curve to start with but perseverence is paying off. The software seems pretty bullet proof as I just click on things to see what happens and not once has it crashed just helpful messages.Many thanks to Robert for his excellent articles.and everyone else who has made Alibre available.

Regards

Nick

JasonB29/01/2019 14:53:24
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I tend to just go to print and then instead of selecting my printer I use Cute PDF writer (free to download) which works fine for me, this is an example of one such 2D drawing in PDF format.

I've just done it with the same drawing using Alibre's "publish to PDF from the 2D drawing and that works fine too. Mine shows "Microsoft Write to PDF" and "Cute" as the two available and it used Microsoft.

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Andrew Johnston29/01/2019 14:59:11
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Posted by JasonB on 29/01/2019 14:53:24:

I tend to just go to print and then instead of selecting my printer I use Cute PDF writer

Me too, although I rarely print PDF with 2D. For clients the 3D PDFs of parts or assemblies are most useful as they can be rotated, panned and zoomed. For 2D for workshop use I print straight from the drawing.

Andrew

JasonB29/01/2019 15:02:02
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That's what I do too Andrew just print and use but the PDF is handy for sharing drawings with those that may not have Alibre or any CAD, the example above is one of the engines I have shared sets of drawings for.

David Jupp29/01/2019 15:03:39
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Nick - the PDF option in Atom can be set to use any 'virtual PDF printer' that you have installed. These do vary in quality/compatibility.

Like Jason I don't use the Publish option for 2D drawings, mainly because it introduces a slight scaling of the page to make room for header and footer at top and bottom of page - so your drawing won't truly be to scale.

The Publish option expects to find PDFill installed, so might complain if it isn't. If you chose to install PDFill (it is free), take care to avoid accepting any of the 'bonuses' that the installer might add to your computer.

In summary - simplest to just Print, and choose your PDF printer, most will work. If you find issues with (most likely) text on drawings, try a different PDF printer.

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Neil Wyatt29/01/2019 15:19:34
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Windows 10 users will have Microsoft Print to PDF, which should be fine for most purposes.

It just works like a printer, and when you click print it comes up with a 'save' as dialogue.

Neil

Nick James29/01/2019 17:47:11
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Hi,

I now have a PDF 2D file saved on my desktop, then sent and viewed on my phone. Brilliant

In Alibre I selected Print then select Foxit Reader PDF Printer instead of my usual printer, and then choose where to save it.

Thanks everybody for your help.

Best regards

Nick

mick29/01/2019 18:02:49
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Sorry to bother you all again but I've spent quite a few hours trying to sort this out for myself. I've followed the tutorial to the letter but when I apply the midline constraint it locks the left hand line to the origin point but not to the sketch. I establish the plane by clicking on the z axis in the tree Which creates the blue box shown in fig 32.thumb screw 2.jpgthumb screw 1.jpg

JasonB29/01/2019 18:30:55
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Looks like you have drawn the sketch on the ZX plane and not the new plane that touches the edge of the disc.

Easiest option is to deactivate the sketch you have there then click "activate 2D sketch and come down the tree on the left to what is probably your "plane 5" and then draw the angled rectangle again.

 

Edited By JasonB on 29/01/2019 18:38:28

JasonB29/01/2019 19:13:04
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I did also find an easier way to set the angle of the sketch. Select dimension and then just click the top edge of the knob and one long side of the sketch and enter the desired angle which seems far simpler than the method suggested.

angle constraint.jpg

Could also have been done at the time of drawing the first line by just hitting tab and entering the angle.

Edited By JasonB on 29/01/2019 19:14:05

David Jupp31/01/2019 16:59:27
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I just took a look at the Alibre web site - there are some new videos specifically covering Atom3D that have been added to the training area. Make sure to look on the Atom3D tab, at time of writing the videos on the Alibre Design tab are still rather dated.

John Hinkley01/02/2019 14:28:03
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Taking yet another break from my engine design, I've been pondering the question of a simple indexer. I have come up with a prototype as shown below, modelled in AA3D

Degree indexer

At the moment, there is no spindle shown as I haven't got around to drawing it, but the intention is to use a commercial ER25 chuck with 100mm straight shaft - because I happen to have one. It operates on the following principle: (Skip this bit if of no interest!)

The outer,lefthand, disc is key to the shaft so that it rotes the workpiece as indexing progresses There are holes drilled in it at specific angles, such that by inserting a dowel in each hole in turn, it engages with a similar hole in the next plate with holes at the same angle plus one degree. The other side of the second plate has holes at 10° intervals and the engraved register allows one to set the second index position at a specific number of 10° intervals and the first plate adds the second and subsequent indices.

It will only allow whole degrees to be indexed, but could be useful in instances where that is all that is required.

I need to find a local foundry that will cast me a body from a pattern I'll have to make!

More progress will appear in the album, not here.

The design is in a state of flux and I will incorporate "improvements" as and when they occur to me!

John

Neil Wyatt01/02/2019 15:24:13
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That makes me think it would be great to have a design for a multi-purpose casting that could be used for spindles, indexers, tailstocks. Something like an cylinder on an angle plate so it could be fixed on its side or on its end, with a couple of mounting points on the cylinder.

There could be a challenge to come up with the most flexible casting, and then for different things to do with it. Might even be popular enough for someone to sell it for a reasonable cost.

Neil

Kenneth Jones 101/02/2019 16:52:07
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Hi Neil & David,

I am up to Fig 47 but try as I might the thread does not appear. I get the ghost thread as in B but when I click 'apply' it all disappears.

I have checked on 'status' and it tells me;- 9002 open or overlapping figures are not supported.

I can not see what I am doing wrong but you say make the height 6 but the part is only 5 thick, is this correct? I have selected 'Height and Pitch'

I am quite proud of my progress so far!

Thanks. Kenj

David Jupp01/02/2019 16:59:16
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6 is correct -  in fig 46 the sketch profile for the groove of the thread is drawn just outside the thickness of the part, so the cut needs to extend a bit further than the thickness to make sure the thread goes all the way through.

Open or overlapping figures suggests either a gap in your sketch profile (use the sketch analysis tool to check), or the profile is wide enough that adjacent 'turns' will overlap (that causes problems) - so axial width of the groove profile must be less than the pitch value.

This might help.

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Kenneth Jones 103/02/2019 17:49:15
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Thanks David, -- but still no thread!

I can not locate 'sketch analysis tool'

I did look at your suggested help tutorial and my problem does suggest a fault in the sketch as I have tried different shapes (rectangles and circles) and I can make a spiral cut using these shapes. I have also tried changing the pitch, that works on my simple shapes but not on the thread shape (triangle).

Am I right in thinking that the groove profile is 2 x 0.375 =0.75, there for less than the 1.0 pitch suggested so that should be OK

Am I the only one having this difficulty?

Thanks'

kenj

David Jupp04/02/2019 07:19:33
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Ken, In System Options -> Parts/Assemblies -> Sketching, make sure that the check box for 'automatically analyze sketch' is indeed checked.

If still struggling, let me know.

You may have one line on top of another in your sketch (hence 'overlapping' ).

 

Edited By JasonB on 04/02/2019 08:29:48

Kenneth Jones 104/02/2019 11:14:09
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Hi Dave,

I'm there! I switched on the sketch analysis button as suggested and tried yet again.

The analysis did indeed suggest that I had an open sketch in spite of very careful location of my curser!

BUT, I tried deleting the vertical line, ie; the back of the triangle, and low and behold the thread then appeared.

I am at a loss to explain this but it has worked for me.

Thanks again, I am looking forward to next months tutorial.

Cheers, Kenj

David Jupp04/02/2019 13:20:27
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Ken - perhaps you missed out this step (my bold);-

Change the right hand edge of the triangle
to a reference figure
(this option is found
under the right click menu), then extend the
shape with the line tool and set the distance
to 0.2mm as shown in Fig 45.

A reference figure is like a 'construction line' - it is ignored for the actual extrusion (or other feature).

mick04/02/2019 17:39:48
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Back to playing with the cylinder head. How do I anchor the 12mm diameter sketch to the top face of the head in order to extrude it to form a counter bore. Thanks.counter bore.jpg

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