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Journeyman17/08/2018 16:54:42
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Just saw this ***THREAD*** over on HMEM where the poster is pleased to have purchased what is likely to be a rip-off CD. As far as I know Model Engineer never produced or sanctioned a CD.

To save following the link the post reads:-

"Just found a CD copy of Model Engineer from 1901 thru 2014 on ebay for $29.95 including shipping. Believe it is available out of Canada, provider sent me a copy on one issue that I was able to download and print without difficulty. Sure will beat collecting stacks of magazines and being able to print any article for easy future reference. Haven't received it yet but will give you a report after receiving the CD."


Edited By Journeyman on 17/08/2018 17:01:24

Martin 10017/08/2018 23:01:08
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It's not very complete either as the last issue was number 4593 and this collection apparently only has somewhere around 1600 mags.

There was, many, many years ago, long before this forum ever existed a collection of ME's from a public library in the US that were scanned and OCR'd. That collection was distributed person to person, for free or just the cost of the media if I recall correctly, on something like 20 CD's, so at 650MB it totalled around 13GB or around 3 DVD' s. It covered up to the 1980's with lots missing, no idea how many magazines were scanned.

The UK situation might be different but pre-1923 issues would be out of copyright in the US, with multiple authors per issue it's not 100% clear what is the status of the rest of it.

The legalities are indeed questionable, but the usefulness of having something essentially archived forever and readable without repeatedly thumbing through increasingly fragile bits of paper taking up lots of shelf space and with rusty staples are IMHO immense.

Hopper18/08/2018 03:52:46
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You seem to have scared them off. laugh The listing has been taken off Fleabay.

MTM don't seem inclined to spend the money on lawyers to pursue these matters though. Discs of pirate copies of MEW going back to issue 1 are regularly posted for sale on eBay. Probably cost more to pursue the legalities than it would be worth in terms of lost revenue from subscribers to the official back issues, which I believe only go a certain way back. (Certainly not to 1901 in the case of ME!)

It's a shame MTM don't sell an official set of discs of back issues but I suppose the cost of scanning in the case of ME would be phenomenal so price would have to be high. And once the discs were out there, pirate copies would appear about one day later.

Circlip18/08/2018 11:18:41
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But But But if MTM did do this, someone would copy it and sell it cheaper on the giant "Flee"! Sadly , many designs have suffered and have been lost due to "Copyright" issues, many now in the realms of obscurity cannot legally be reproduced despite the originals being lost by the so called new "Owners" but are still "Protected".


And re scanning being too expensive, a few years ago, a group of ME enthusiasts offered to scan the entire MEW collection in their own possession FOR FREE, (many hands make light work) from issue 1 to 150. This was rejected BUT months later, "Official" copies on CD were offered from the mags owners and what a pigs ear they had made at scanning stage.


The road to hell is paved with good intentions , - - - but some low life will always try to rip a fast buck on others efforts.


Regards Ian.


And as a quick edit, two inches of shelf space is worth far more than 20 feet of clutter.

Edited By Circlip on 18/08/2018 11:40:26

Ady119/08/2018 10:41:01
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It will be the same one that was around a few years ago

Derek Lane 219/08/2018 11:02:52
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Call me old fashioned but I still prefer paper copies of magazines and books, I find them easier to flip from page to page when reading an article. If I ever need a page for reference in the workshop I will scan and copy that page and use that saves the page getting dirty and when finished destroy the copy.

There is a woodworking disc going around that half of what is on it is just plans from the internet many are copyright material and the rest are what can be found for free some of them don't even have the complete plans.

Do I think it is wrong Yes

DMB19/08/2018 11:17:39
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I do not see the point of putting it all on 'puter. I have every issue of MEW in hard copy, together with every ME 1930 to date + a number of miscellaneous vols back to no. 1. In other words, nearly complete.

I once trawled through the pre - 1960 MEs, photocopying only one off articles of interest to me. Sometime soon, I intend to get the copies in some sort of logical order and make an index of them. The difference in quantity of paper in the interesting items compared with the sheer bulk of paper in the original mags from which the copies were made is simply staggering. Then I will have one last trawl through for any multi issue series articles of personal interest before disposal of the originals. I won't buy any missing vols; will just go to the club which has them and study their copies. I have frequently been emailed in the past with offers to supply me with the missing vols., often at silly prices of up to £30 each! Oh yeah?

So far my method has worked well for me but I must now make final decisions on downsizing such a formidable pile of paper.

Neil Wyatt19/08/2018 14:44:46
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It's very complicated.

Our copyright in the typographical arrangement of the magazines lasts 25 years. This is just how they look, it is nothing to do with copyright in the content. It just means that 25 years after a magazine is published 'X' could compile all their own articles together and republish them as originally published, for example.

The copyright in any articles written anonymously is 70 years.

For all work copyright to a named author (including an employee) is 70 years after their death.

This is why we agree an unlimited licence with authors imagine trying to track down the copyright holders of long-dead contributors to seek agreement to publish a back issue...

Potential costs and returns from scanning all the back issues is prohibitive as no doubt it would be pirated within days. So all the 'helpful' 'well-meaning' folks making DVDs available are essentially starving the law-abiding of access to back issues in such a format.

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