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Tim Rowe22/05/2018 21:35:35
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Yes Mike

I totally agree an electric bill could be truly shocking! I could easily see me having the same argument as I insist that a toilet roll has the loose bit hanging from the front. Except that is if it is hanging from a wire holder old style on the back of the door in which case it has to come from the back.

As for the right word Neil I would just drop the 'e' and it now becomes "loctit" job done yes

Tim



SillyOldDuffer22/05/2018 21:57:30
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I'm shocked. Neil trying to find a bondage safe word? Not the sort of thing I expect to find on the internet...

smiley

Bandersnatch22/05/2018 22:03:30
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My take fwiw:


1. Loctite ranges from full adhesive to light retention depending on grade. Because of this it demands that when the ... ahem verb .... "to loctite" is used it needs to be qualified with either the numerical grade or a grade description.


2. To me, bonding in the mechanical sense is synonymous with the use of adhesive. For the reasons above, I don't feel "to bond" can be used as a catch-all replacement for "to loctite".


3. It's rare, to the point of non-existence, in model engineering that referencing a specific Loctite grade means that only the trade-marked Loctite product can be used. I'm more than capable of finding an alternative manufacturer's equivalent product should the need exist. I suspect most others here are too. Therefore I tend to treat references to Loctite (and its associated "verb"  ) as generic.


4. If there's an actual problem with the status-quo of how the term loctite is used it escapes me. I think changes in this respect are likely to be a source of confusion rather than serving a useful purpose.

Edited By Bandersnatch on 22/05/2018 22:05:19

Hopper22/05/2018 23:59:55
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Let clarity be thy guide. If you say something is to be glued, bonded or anaerobically retained, many readers will be left unsure what is meant. Rubber cement? Welded? Drain cleaner?

Whereas if you say something is to be Loctited (or loctited), it is clear that one should use the almost universally known product.

Let's give people credit for being able to decide for themselves which grade to choose, or an alternative brand of the same stuff, based on the information on the packaging. (Most often it comes down to what grade is available sitting in the workshop already!)

But, it would add even greater clarity if article writers included the grade of Loctite they used. If we can trust them to design or build the whole shebang, we have to have faith in their choice of Loctite grade.

As for nouns becoming verbs, endless verbs in the English language come from nouns, not just the trade-name derived ones either. EG, paint, frame, lather, drill, drive, cover, eye, and on and on.

It seems that in spoken English -- which is the "real" language of which the written is merely a representation -- Loctite is already a widely accepted and used verb along the lines of kleenex, hoover etc. It will probably take a bit longer to get into the dictionary because it is a specialist technical term with nowhere near the widespread usage of tissues and vaccum cleaners.

Michael Gilligan23/05/2018 01:15:50
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Posted by Hopper on 22/05/2018 23:59:55:

.... Whereas if you say something is to be Loctited (or loctited), it is clear that one should use the almost universally known product.

Let's give people credit for being able to decide for themselves which grade to choose, or an alternative brand of the same stuff, based on the information on the packaging. (Most often it comes down to what grade is available sitting in the workshop already!)

But, it would add even greater clarity if article writers included the grade of Loctite they used. If we can trust them to design or build the whole shebang, we have to have faith in their choice of Loctite grade.

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But surely Henkel has destroyed the logic of the first paragraph quoted above. dont know

This makes the obvious and very reasonable desire for added clarity all the more important.

The final statement quoted above could easily be turned around:

If we cannot trust them to know or care what grade of Loctite they used; we cannot have faith in other aspects of the design or build.

MichaelG.

oldvelo23/05/2018 01:32:20
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Hi

What is the best alternative to Loctite.

Take more care when machining and make it fit properly!!!

Not always look at the job in hand and formulate the best approach.

Eric

Neil Lickfold23/05/2018 02:07:34
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Maybe it should be bonded with XXX glue/adhesive/bearing retaining compound/thread locker/ etc

Neil

Waggonerman23/05/2018 08:05:15
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Maybe ‘Chemically secured’ would cover all options?

JasonB23/05/2018 09:19:55
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The big problem with asking authors to include the product details that they actually used it that it will then generate a thread and a few letters questioning their choice of product and a lengthy debate on what would have been more suitable for the job in handdevil

Up until yesterday when Neil brought up the subject we had all been quite happy to use "loctited" so why change what up until know has been understood by us all bar one, if somebody wants to know more they only have to ask on the forum though will get many different answers.

Ron Laden23/05/2018 09:55:52
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I agree Jason, "loctited" will do me fine, life is too short.

Gordon W23/05/2018 09:56:02
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Just to confuse things a bit more - I just bought some rust proofer liquid for my car, clearly labelled Loctite and branded, seems good stuff for the job, but would not like to hold a shaft with it.

jann west23/05/2018 10:12:33
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Kinda depends on what the loctite was doing.

If it was locking a thread - then "thread-locked" would seem to be the appropriate past-tense verb - "I use a thread-locking compound to secure my nuts when I don't want them shifting around"

If it was performing a chemical bonding process which is not meant to be reversed - then chemically-bonded - "I was somewhat upset when I inadvertently chemically-bonded my fingers to my little willie (model)

I imagine that Mr Loctite might also have some ideas - perhaps you should ask their brand department ... as brand genericisation is generally considered an undesirable thing for companies with such well known products.

JasonB23/05/2018 10:18:33
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Just because a company makes more than one type of product should not be a reason to change what has become the accepted norm.

If I said I was going to hoover the carpet how many here would think I was going to iron it, run a floor polisher over it, or even take it up and put in a washing machine, oven or fridge as Hoover also make these products.

 

Then again maybe I should be encouraging a long winded description as Neil pays by the page in much the same way you bu by the page. I'm sure would rather have the column inches taken up by useful text rather than overly long descriptions of products used!

Edited By JasonB on 23/05/2018 10:21:49

Michael Gilligan23/05/2018 11:21:20
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Posted by JasonB on 23/05/2018 10:18:33:

... If I said I was going to hoover the carpet how many here would think I was going to iron it, run a floor polisher over it, or even take it up and put in a washing machine, oven or fridge as Hoover also make these products.

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But is it really so difficult to say 'vacuum clean the carpet' ?

MichaelG.

JasonB23/05/2018 11:58:11
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Michael, see the last sentence of the post you just quoted from.

JasonB23/05/2018 12:05:43
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I also think the context in which the term "loctited" is used should be taken into account when deciding if that is good enough or a full spec of what clearances, cleaner, accelerator and actual product was use.

For example if someone is describing how they bonded two bits from the scrap bin together to make yet another tool height gauge then "loctited" would do but if they were describing how they bonded the blades into a high speed turbines hub then the reader may want a bit more information.

Hopper23/05/2018 12:10:23
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Googling the term "Loctited" brings up almost 50,000 hits. Its use is ubiquitous.

Googling "Chemically bonded" brings this as the first reference: "Fix the rift between two girls' hearts as you unwittingly form new bonds to help bring their dreams into fruition."

So if you are seeking clarity in a technical article, go with the former. If it's something else you seek, go with the latter.

Edited By Hopper on 23/05/2018 12:19:52

larry phelan 123/05/2018 12:51:42
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Who was it who said "What,s in a name ? Sticky stuff by any other name works just as well "devildevil

Michael Gilligan23/05/2018 13:01:41
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Posted by JasonB on 23/05/2018 11:58:11:

Michael, see the last sentence of the post you just quoted from.

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I did see that, Jason ... one extra word, to convey relevant information, seems good value to me.

... But I admit that, in domestic converation, I usually just say "vacuum the carpet".

MichaelG.

Emgee23/05/2018 13:38:44
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Posted by Michael Gilligan on 23/05/2018 13:01:41:
Posted by JasonB on 23/05/2018 11:58:11:

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I did see that, Jason ... one extra word, to convey relevant information, seems good value to me.

... But I admit that, in domestic converation, I usually just say "vacuum the carpet".

MichaelG.

When Hoover the carpet is mentioned I believe the carpet will be beaten with a rotating brush and suction provided to collect the debris into a bag that can be emptied as required.
Vacuuming the carpet may only remove surface debris, not deep rooted dust.

Emgee

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