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Enhancing a EMCO Maximat V10P Lathe using Electronics - ELS Et-Al...

Adding Electronics to the Maximat V10P to provide electronic Threading control and quiet auto-feeds.

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Joseph Noci 112/03/2017 19:54:03
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Hello all,

I have an EMCO MAximat V10, refurbished some 15 years ago from 'well used' and am in the process of doing it again - not really needed, but I decide to add an 'electronic lead-screw' system of my own design, which led to the need to modify, make boxes and housing, which led to the need to paint,which...So , I managed to find as set of new gibs, carriage/compound leadscrews and nuts, main leadscrew and halfnuts, etc, etc...So now its a full refurbish!

Back to the the main topic..

( Note: Since the character count per post is so limited, this will be broken into a number of posts - I guess...)

Since my career was in the upper end of the electronics world ( flight control and weapons systems computers for jet fighters, helicopters, Drones ( big ones), etc) I thought I would try and design such an ELS myself...And since My good wife was an integral part of that career - was head of a major SW dept, accredited by BAE to do safety critical SW on BAE jets...What the heck - between us we should be able to do it...

I will try to post over the next weeks as the project progresses to do a sort of 'build-log', as we go.

The actual machine stripping is taking place in the background.

The intent is to create a microprocessor controlled box that can process electronics threading on any metric or imperial pitch, in an automated way, and provide simple, quiet Feed control for normal auto feed machining operations.

Basically there is a control panel that allows selection of a thread pitch/type, a way of defining the start and end points of the thread ( right or left hand thread as well) , left to right or right to left cuts, and then running the cut process automatically from start the end of thread, stopping the carriage feed and the spindle ( on a ticky, aided by the VFD on the spindle motor) , retract tool, press rewind and the tool goes to the start, put on cut, press start and the process repeats...

A largish stepper is fitted to the main leadscrew, which is disconnected from the Norton screwcutting box by removing the shearpin.

I have tried to keep it simple - it is too easy to add 'features' which in my opinion are a waste of time. Adding another stepper to the cross feed will allow machining of balls ( handles), tapers, etc, but for me the complexity is appalling, One does such work very rarely, and this gets in the way of the machine operation - with so many feature, buttons, operational methods, etc, it takes a half hour or more just to remember how to do something basic, and that defeats the whole purpose. If it takes longer to re-discover the operational process than it would take to cut a thread on a basic mechanical norton box lathe, then your have lost the plot... I would venture to say that ALL the ELS systems out there today are in that place - FAR to complex, trying to be a CNC substitute, but not really, so cannot do real CNC, and too painful to use for basic jobs.

Some PICS of the start of the project follow...

There is a Main and a Sub control panel - the Main is above the Headstock, with the Sub below the Swarf tray, left of the operator, at left pelvis height - main start stop buttons, etc...

Upper image is Sub panel, lower is Main, on the Bench in the Lab for SW testing.

els_proto_1_main and sub.jpg

 

CLoser view of Main Panel ( forgive the flash-back..) Managing setup selections.

els_proto_1_main panel.jpg

And the Sub Control panel, managing actual Machining.

els_proto_1_sub panel.jpg

 

Next Post FOllows.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited By Joseph Noci 1 on 12/03/2017 20:18:18

Joseph Noci 112/03/2017 20:11:33
1006 forum posts
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Another ELS system - The Next Post - a continuation...

Wiring the Main Panel...I hate wiring...els_proto_1_wiring up.jpg

The system Power supply and Stepper Motor Driver module.

Housed in a re-purposed housing taken from a Phonic 100watt stereo Audio amplifier that had let the smoke out...The Toroidal mains transformer was ok, and suited this job just fine!

els_proto_1_stepper psu_driver.jpg

Testing the SW on the bench...

els_proto_1_main_sub_sw testing.jpg

The main spindle magnetically coupled Rotary encoder - DIY from a 1024 ppr encoder wheel from an old Calcomp plotter...Provides 1024 ppr Quadrature output with a 1PPR reference pulse - essential for the start of thread point - acts in the same way as the single tooth dog-clutch in a mechanical threading clutch ( Meek, et-al..)

The encoder unit fits with two M3 screws on the rear cover of the lathe, lined up with the spindle , and the 4 rare earth magnets in the polyprop disc line up with mating magnets in a disc fitted to the main spindle - there is not enough space to fit the unit inside the cover with belts or gear drive, etc. This has a limitation - I cannot thread a rod that has to protrude past the rear of the spindle...But I could fit the shear pin back and do it manually! 99% of my playtime has not involved threading work that long...

magnetically coupled spindel encoder wheel.jpg

I am lucky, and privileged to have a Wife and SW expert who enjoys pottering with me on this stuff, and so the SW is coming allong nicely - It took her 3 days to go from nought to a system that is working and needs testing on the lathe now..

I will probably start fitting the lathe in the next days, and testing the bits, before stripping the lathe for refurbishing and painting, etc...

Here is the lathe as it stands right now..Its the 'blue' one...

Shop View part1

More to follow in the coming days...

Joe

Michael Gilligan12/03/2017 22:54:04
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Keep up the good work, Joe [and Mrs. Joe]

... I hope to learn from your experience !!

MichaelG.

Frederic Frenere02/02/2018 19:56:17
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Interesting project Joseph and your work is very professional. I watch with interest as I have this machine also.

Fred
George Searle18/06/2021 12:57:13
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Joe: I have just skimmed Duncan Webster's article on "Building the Noci ELS" (issue No305) which cross refeerenced to your article. How do I get a copy of the software which formed the basis of Duncan's build?

George Searle

Tony Pratt 118/06/2021 14:02:12
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Another excellent electronic lead screw project is featured on YouTube, look for articles by Clough42.

Tony

Joseph Noci 118/06/2021 14:20:46
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Posted by George Searle on 18/06/2021 12:57:13:

Joe: I have just skimmed Duncan Webster's article on "Building the Noci ELS" (issue No305) which cross refeerenced to your article. How do I get a copy of the software which formed the basis of Duncan's build?

George Searle

George, PM me with your email and I will mail it to you - same to anyone interested - If serious though, you would need the schematics, etc as well, which I can provide in an email.

Sure Duncan will help too.

Joe

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