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RRMBK05/08/2015 11:47:33
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**LINK**

Hopefully this may provoke some intersting discussion about how we help others in the hobby to be, and stay; safe.

Martin Kyte05/08/2015 11:57:06
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Encouraging to find that lathes are still being used by 14 year old despite the risk of potentially hazardous proceedures and that HSE response is ,as always," find a way to do it safely" and not "don't do it at all".

Martin

Ed Duffner05/08/2015 12:07:46
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Sorry to hear about the young lad. I hope that a message would have gone out immediately to all schools/colleges so the same doesn't happen again.

I think the HSE could also update their wording to a more modern language in the quoted text on that web page.

"Section 3(1) of the Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974 states: “It shall be the duty of every employer to conduct his undertaking in such a way as to ensure, so far as is reasonably practicable, that persons not in his employment who may be affected thereby are not thereby exposed to risks to their health or safety.” "

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RRMBK05/08/2015 12:11:18
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I fully agree. I intended my inital post to refer to encouraging younger people into a hobby that appears to have an increasingly ageing membership profile, but worded it wrongly. Also if you are not already aware of it the HSE " Mythbusters section of their website makes some very interesting and occasionally entertaining reading !

Ady105/08/2015 12:23:22
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The pupil, from Knaresborough, was using a polishing cloth by hand on a work piece as it rotated on a manual metal lathe

The Health and Safety Executive (HSE) investigated and brought the prosecution after finding the Council had failed to identify that the practice of hand-polishing on metal lathes was unsafe despite it being used for years at the 1,700-pupil school.

Pretty basic stuff imo .

The big problem appears to be a lack of awareness by the council and school because so few people use lathes etc nowadays

Even as amateurs we all learn from an early stage to keep loose things away from a lathe, mill etc

A horrible very avoidable accident

Nick_G05/08/2015 12:36:04
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I can hear my fathers voice if it had been me that lost a finger.

"Silly bugger. That will teach you to be more careful in future. ............ Now have you got any maths, English or science homework to get done.!"

Nick frown

David Clark 105/08/2015 12:40:27
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I assume the council has stopped using all machines in schools?

Neil Wyatt05/08/2015 15:33:49
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And that is why I commented on the video of someone wearing gloves while using a mill.

There are many safer ways, not least using easily torn paper tissue if you must polish in the lathe.

Neil

RRMBK05/08/2015 15:40:52
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DC1

One would sincerely hope not, but unfortunately that does tend to be the sort of knee jerk reaction that eventually happens. I agree wholehartedly with ADY's comments I feel that proper awareness and acknowledgement of the risks, and passing on that knowledge to teach newcomers whether they are children or adults; is beholden on all of us who did have the benfit of proper experienced tutors, often during a 4 or 5 year apprenticeship. Equally it is important that those who recieve the benefit of that learning use the information properly and in the right manner.

I put this up originally partly because of the recent protracted discussion that has taken place about plugs and sockets of differing types. whilst HSE does not apply directly in our home workshops, ultimately it is up to us as adults to shoulder responsibility for our safety and the safety of anyone we teach or influence, especially when forums such as this are such wonderful fountains of excellent practice and hard learned experience, and others tend to rely on them for their guidance.

Lambton05/08/2015 15:49:06
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I am very sorry to learn of this accident to a young lad. I hope it does not put him off using a lathe safely.

We can all learn from this by downloading the link below that was included in the HSE press release. It explains in a very clear way the right and wrong ways to use emery cloth on a lathe. I know that we are perhaps older and wiser however we are sometime tempted to take a short cut.

**LINK**

mick7005/08/2015 16:07:06
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cheers for link Lambton, will show my 7yr old as he is learning on lathe with me and at club.

Mike05/08/2015 16:07:40
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I agree with pretty well all of what has been said. But why even think of using emery cloth when easily-torn wet & dry is much safer, and usually gives a better finish?

Neil Wyatt05/08/2015 16:10:01
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The little emery stick sold in packs in pound shops are a convenient and safe way of polishing small items.

Neil

john carruthers05/08/2015 17:55:20
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As a 14 year old I witnessed a huge row between our metalwork master and the head master. The head was insisting we wore school ties in the shop ! and this was a technical school !! (newly appointed head).
A few minor accidents did happen, black fingernails and minor scratches, but never anything serious.

The teacher 'Cog' Wheeler ran a safe shop. He demonstrated 'the most dangerous tool in the shop' by running pigs trotters through the bandsaw. I learned more from that old boy than the rest of the staff put together.

Michael Gilligan05/08/2015 17:59:32
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Posted by Neil Wyatt on 05/08/2015 16:10:01:

The little emery stick sold in packs in pound shops are a convenient and safe way of polishing small items.

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... and the [more expensive] versions sold for clock and watchmaking are also useful, if you want finer and more predictable results.

MichaelG.

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Edit: for example

 

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 05/08/2015 18:23:23

Michael Gilligan05/08/2015 19:27:56
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Posted by Ed Duffner on 05/08/2015 12:07:46:

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I think the HSE could also update their wording to a more modern language in the quoted text on that web page.

"Section 3(1) of the Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974 states: “It shall be the duty of every employer to conduct his undertaking in such a way as to ensure, so far as is reasonably practicable, that persons not in his employment who may be affected thereby are not thereby exposed to risks to their health or safety.” "

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Ed,

I've only just read your post:

Whilst I have some sympathy with your thinking, it is probably worth mentioning that HSE's choice of language uses terms that are legally enforceable; whereas "Plain English" terms are sometimes not.

The simplest example is "shall" ... which is recognized legally as being mandatory [just like the old Biblical "thou shalt"]: It is much more difficult to enforce words like "will" and "must".

... Hope that helps explain why they write in "old fashioned" language.

MichaelG.

Neil Wyatt05/08/2015 19:41:18
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... and the [more expensive] versions sold for clock and watchmaking are also useful, if you want finer and more predictable results.

Look for the foam-centred ones for nail polishing, rather than shaping. AFAIC they go down to about 1000 grit and give mirror finish used on steel.

Neil

Michael Gilligan05/08/2015 19:44:50
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Thanks for the tip, Neil

MichaelG.

Ed Duffner05/08/2015 19:53:22
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Hannants offer a range of sanding sticks etc.

**LINK**

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Enough!05/08/2015 21:53:28
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The usual hysteria aside, am I the only one who thinks the statement:

......... the Council had failed to identify that the practice of hand-polishing on metal lathes was unsafe despite it being used for years at the 1,700-pupil school.

would logically suggest that the practice is, in fact, generally safe?

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