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Nitai Levi09/06/2015 18:59:18
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I finally decided to replace my decent but not so great caliper and micrometer with good ones, which locally means Mitutoyo (which is good and available). I decided on a caliper, but not sure about the micrometer.

I just despise batteries... so I'm leaning towards a mechanical one. They have three and I can't really figure out what the differences are, seems to be something about the ratchet/thimble.

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I'm not sure the the last two are any different except the finish/coating/look. The last one also says it's made in China... can I relaly trust it to be good? Signfiicantly nicer than my no-name but sort of decent Chinese one?

Thanks for any suggestions!

Lambton09/06/2015 19:16:00
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You can rely on any genuine Mitutoyo product to be top quality wherever it is manufactured as they have rigorous quality control and the best possible manufacturing processes. Over the years, both privately and whilst at work, I have been involved with Mitutoyo products of many types and have never had any cause for complaint.

However I understand there are some convincing fake products being made. Mitutoyo have some advice on their web site about avoiding fakes.

John Haine09/06/2015 20:32:33
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I have a Tesa mechanical micro which used to work very well and would read to a micron, but I dropped it and the readout was ruined! So I bought a Mitutoyo digital mike which I hardly ever use because it's not absolute. Every time I switch it on I have to wind it right back to closed to zero it which takes forever. So last year I spent £27 on a s/h Mitutoyo mechanical micrometer, 25 mm, and it's just great! So spend a little time on eBay looking for one like this, or Tesa, or M&W.

Ajohnw09/06/2015 20:38:08
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They specify the accuracy of 2 of them so I would pick one of those, a bit dearer than the last one.

Personally I wouldn't rule out Starret and Shardlow although I think Shardlow are defunct now. My 0-1 is by Starret chosen because it has a vernier scale as well so reads to 1/10 thou and due to that they made the frame a little heavier than normal. I would most definitely say Mit Absolute Coolant proof for callipers - the best they do or at least they were when I bought mine.

I agree about batteries. These mic's tend to get much heavier and the 1um reading really is a bit of a joke. The problem I find with mine is that the batteries go flat at the most awkward time.

Out of interest I understand that Black and Decker have owned Mitutoyo for a long time now. That would make me a little wary of any cheaper offerings.

John

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Graham Wharton09/06/2015 21:10:30
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I bought all my Mitutoyos second hand on ebay. All chosen carefully, not accepting any that show signs of any rust. Most are as new, tending to cost in the region of 15-25 GBP each. Ive got a full set of standards and never have any problems with repeatability against the standards.

You could say my mic collection has become somewhat obsessive.

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I don't have any digital micrometers, but all of my absolute digital calipers sit on my bench pretty much 24/7 with the displays on, as they don't seem to auto off, and i've not replaced any of the batteries in the last couple of years. I don't know if the mics are worse for some reason.

JohnF10/06/2015 00:11:52
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Hi Nitai I would go for the 301, the 701 has a friction thimble rather than a standard ratchet on the very end, this type of thimble is larger in diameter and will feel quite bulky. I once had a M & W with is type of thimble, never liked it !

The 137 is the budget range, still good but if you had both in your hand you would I believe choose the 301--just my opinion of course.

Good luck with your choice and I whole heartedly agree analogue is better than digital it will never let you down and although I do have a digital caliper I regularly use my Etalon vernier -- no batteries !

Regards John

Nitai Levi10/06/2015 05:04:29
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Thanks everyone

I decided I dislike batteries enough to not get digital ones. The caliper I want is this one **LINK**

I'm not in a country where we have ebay and these kind of used tools are pretty rare here. I also rather pay more for something I buy maybe once or twice in a life time (hopfully), to not compromise and get exactly what I want.

Re the vernier scale, all the micrometers that I linked to are also available with a 0.001mm vernier scale (though not on Amazon, so I just linked to the 0.01mm ones available there) and that's what I'll be getting.

Re the thimble, the 701 says "Ratchet Thimble Micrometer" in the description...? The catalogue does explain a bit about how it works differently than the others but I'm a little confused.

Thanks again

Edited By Nitai Levi on 10/06/2015 05:19:37

Brian O'Connor10/06/2015 09:35:49
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I have one of these:

http://www.mitutoyo.co.uk/small-tool-instruments-and-data-management/micrometers/193-111

As you can see it has mechanical digits, so no battery, and it also has the vernier scale as a cross check on accuracy.

Brian

Brian O'Connor10/06/2015 09:38:03
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Curses, my link didn't come out as **LIMK**. There must be an istruction for doing so somewhere but I haven't been able to find it.

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Ajohnw10/06/2015 10:20:13
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Your probably wise to avoid the ones reading to 1um. Many of the digital ones that read to that have very rigid and heavy frames which can make them cumbersome to use. I'm glad I bought mine used as I soon went back to my mechanical ones.

On the callipers I feel the ones you have linked too are a good choice. A lot of people like that style. One thing I should point out is that eventually I bought some that read to 200mm. The extra range can prove useful. They are available on this page

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The ones I use are these

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So far the batteries have lasted a couple of years plus and they are pretty precise. That just leaves the problem of using them that accurately when work is on machines etc. The extra length probably makes that a little more difficult than the 150mm ones but I'd say there is nothing in it really. The problem with callipers is ensuring they are dead square to the work when a measurement is taken, they also are not as accurate as a mic. The usual bore measurement is also very iffy. The older style that didn't use knife edges are better but they limit the min size that can be read and their width has to be subtracted from the reading.

John

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Leo F Byrne10/06/2015 10:42:34
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Mitutoyo are just excellent. I mostly use the digital caliper, and it is accurate. I have other cheaper ones but keep coming back to this. I make violin bows so my level of accuracy is high but not as critical as many on this site.

Leo Byrne

Nitai Levi10/06/2015 12:46:18
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Thanks.

I already decided on that 15cm caliper because I don't need the extra 5cm. I don't even need 15cm really, but I think the 10cm one would be less comfortable to hold and use, possibly getting the edge or corner of the end against my palm. I also prefer the 1mm dial turn instead of the 2mm dial turn because it's more comfortable to read.

I'll look into that digit micromter, looks great and without a battery. It has all the lines and vernier like the regular one too. It has a ratchet stop right and not friction?

Edited By Nitai Levi on 10/06/2015 12:52:02

Brian O'Connor10/06/2015 13:05:35
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Yes, it has a ratchet. There is a simple procedure for aligning the two readouts. When I set mine to zero, using the ratchet, both readouts read exactly zero. I highly recommend it.

B

Nitai Levi11/06/2015 11:43:58
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About the 193-111 micrometer, does it require some kind of special tool to calibrate it? I found a used one for a decent price but it doesn't come with the tool that the new one seems to have in the case. I still have to see if cost with shipping will be worth it though.

Ajohnw11/06/2015 17:05:49
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On a 0-25mm and other they usually come with a spanner that is used to rotate the inner barrel to precisely align the zero mark. Ones above 25mm should come with a setting gauge as well. The spanner from one make sometimes fits others.

I did come across a micrometer spindle that had the spanner but the barrel was fixed and wouldn't rotate at all. The spanner was probably added to fool people it could be adjusted in the normal way. Also when I unscrewed the anvil part completely I found there was no ring nut to adjust the fit of the micrometer screw. I looked as I thought it was a little too loose. Turned out that the feel of it was mostly determined by the grease they had put on the screw.

Not sure you will find ratchets work out as well as you might think. They can be ok when everything is spotlessly clean but the trouble is that when the zero is set the whole area of the anvils is in contact where as when say measuring on a diameter it isn't so pressures tends clear away any oi,l grease or atmospheric gunk. It doesn't when measuring say blocks so slightly more pressure is needed to be sure of correct readings. The safest thing really is to clean the area being measured and the mic.

Even when setting a new micrometer it's best to grip some printer paper between the anvils and pull it through just to make sure there are no residues of this and that on them then check the zero.

John

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Brian O'Connor11/06/2015 17:38:43
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The calibration tool is just a small 'C' spanner. the small projection of which engages in a small hole at the back of the barrel. If you can't get the correct tool it should be a simple matter to make something tha would do the job.

B

Jesse Hancock 111/06/2015 21:43:54
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Nitae: I also have a micrometer with revolving numbers and I think as long as it's treated with respect should last as well as any other micrometer. As pointed out no batteries to buy either.

Alan: In my experience slip gauges were kept solely for calibration (masters) and since these were the standard for all other moving gauges (Verniers micrometers and height gauges) they were kept just for that job. It would have been impracticable to leave loose slips on the shop floor as they could be lost or easily damaged. This of course applies to model engineers in their shops.

That's not to say that various specially made go no-go, plugs and slips weren't chained at strategic points on the production line and used to check the fit of critical parts because they were.

Not trying to provoke argument here since if you are young and have gecko fingers why not use slips where you can. Personally I find them too fiddly these days and if not kept in pristine condition they won't stack either. Then again feeler gauges are cheap by comparison to slips.

Ajohnw12/06/2015 16:37:04
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My tool checks were plastic but still had name and number engraved on them. Allowed 3 but there was a sort of black market in them. Who ever did the engraving did some spares.

For larger sizes I have a vernier calliper with a 0-25in scale and metric on the other side. Marked 27.5in by Starret. It's in a bit of a state but still zero's perfectly. Workshop grade though so not marked n degrees F. I have needed it a couple of times.

John

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Nitai Levi14/06/2015 07:54:59
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Thanks again everyone. I ordered the 193-111 digit micrometer which has everything I want - no battery, easy to read, vernier to 0.001mm (more or less accurate) if I need it and ratchet stop.

Nitai Levi14/06/2015 13:17:25
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Leo F Byrne, I repair musical instruments (mainly woodwinds) and that's why I need the micrometer.

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