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Thread: Mc Donald Model tractor
12/05/2022 01:02:47

Usually winter in Australia in our area brings a large high in the weather pattern and this results in stable weather, blue sky and it is relatively dry but not this year. Queensland has had rain and more rain and this means the out door foundry can not be used and we have to wait for the next dry spell. Over the last couple of weeks I have been modifying both the pattern and core boxes for the engine. There was not a great deal to be done on the pattern as that works quite well but I did enlarge the water outlet on the top of the cylinder to give a smoother flow to the thermo siphon cooling system. The core box has been refined to give more metal when machining the bore and thus reducing the water passage volume. The original core box was in four parts but I have now decided to make it in six parts to ease the withdraw of the sand core. The 3D printer is now working over time as each of the six parts takes approximately 9 hours to make. Having now received advice and having consulted doctor goggle I realise that there is more than just make a runner and pour in the molten metal into the flask. I will give this area and the venting much more consideration and take care to 3D print the correct shape and size of runners, risers and vents. Being an amateur in the field of foundry work and trying to produce a difficult casting means that there is a very steep learning curve but this is a self inflicted problem that presents a challenge and that is just one of the joys of our hobby.

Fred

23/04/2022 09:31:47

Thanks to Jon,Pat,Roger and Diogenes for your comments and pleased to hear that you enjoy reading the progress on this project. I have been working on this model tractor for the past 3 years - time flys by quickly when your having fun and it’s good to share opinions and comments with like minded friends. When one visits an exhibition you see the finished models but it doesn’t show the effort and time that has been used to create them. This thread has been a record of both success and failures and even now I am not sure what the outcome will be!
Pat your information has been taken on board and was very interesting to read. When discussing the finished casting with my mates we came to the following:-

The runner height could have been lower.

The speed of the pour could have slower.

The temperature of the melt may have been to high.

The last casting is usable but the school report would have read “ could do better” and with this in mind I may have another attempt. If at first you don’t succeed you just keep trying!

Fred.

22/04/2022 10:15:22

Today we cast another crankcase- still not perfect but I will have to wait until tomorrow to see if the inside of the water passage is o.k. I have machined datum faces to keep things square but still have to bore out the cylinder and top of the cylinder barrel which will reveal the water passage. Photo shows “ as cast” but the casting has now been cleaned up and partially machined.

Fred

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19/04/2022 08:48:04

3ee77749-00ea-44de-b521-483c10998dd3.jpegf8d38eb6-dbdf-4f73-875f-9fbd41d0b295.jpegSand castles nearly complete I just have to glue on the top half and make sure it is all sealed up ready for the big pour. Hopefully this will be later in the week, weather permitting. The part sticking out from the left side of cylinder is the core for the exhaust port and the small hole in the top is for the oil feed to the cylinder. The weight of the sand blocks and core is about 22kg. I did have to purchase from our local hardware store a couple of bags of fine sand of the type that is normally used in sand pits for young children. This works well and gives a satisfactory finish. Now it’s a case of finger crossed and hope all goes well!

Fred.

16/04/2022 09:54:26

20c1eb5d-a2be-4d0c-bdba-56fcba19e72b.jpeg65 hours of 3D printing resulted in a set of new crankcase patterns.The whole crankcase is divided into 8 parts as this allows the patterns with under cuts to be with drawn easier and gives a better definition and finish than the previous attempt. A special casting box was made in the form of 2 “L” shapes and a divider fits inside to seperate each of the patterns. All the sand blocks will be glued together and a frame added to the outside to keep it all together. Still more sand castles to be made but I have to dry out some more sand before mixing it with the chemical binder. I may have to modify the inner core to fit the new crankcase casting but thats for next week.The photographs show progress so far.

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09/04/2022 07:42:45

Sorry about the double up

Fred.

09/04/2022 07:42:07

Over the last week I have spent time on redesigning the crankcase patterns and core boxes. One the the unforeseen problems is the alignment of various parts of the model when the dummy engine was placed in position. For example on the full size tractor it is very difficult to measure parts like the engine length and the front mountings as there is no straight line due other bits being in the way! It isn’t until a “ dummy engine” has been made that these discrepancies manifest themselves and have to be corrected. It’s all about that never ending learning curve! I have decided to make the second crankcase pattern in 8 parts and use a chemically bound sand for each part. The 3D printer will be working overtime as all 8 pattern parts will take in excess of 67 hours to produce but that does leave me time to design and make the special casting boxes and to sort out that part of the process. With the last tractor ( Saunderson &Mills) I made it took 8 weeks to perfect the casting of the cylinders and that did not include pattern and core box making. This tractor seems to be following the same path but the end is just around a very long corner. It’s a case of you made the problem you solve it!

Fred.

09/04/2022 07:40:30

Over the last week I have spent time on redesigning the crankcase patterns and core boxes. One the the unforeseen problems is the alignment of various parts of the model when the dummy engine was placed in position. For example on the full size tractor it is very difficult to measure parts like the engine length and the front mountings as there is no straight line due other bits being in the way! It isn’t until a “ dummy engine” has been made that these discrepancies manifest themselves and have to be corrected. It’s all about that never ending learning curve! I have decided to make the second crankcase pattern in 8 parts and use a chemically bound sand for each part. The 3D printer will be working overtime as all 8 pattern parts will take in excess of 67 hours to produce but that does leave me time to design and make the special casting boxes and to sort out that part of the process. With the last tractor ( Saunderson &Mills) I made it took 8 weeks to perfect the casting of the cylinders and that did not include pattern and core box making. This tractor seems to be following the same path but the end is just around a very long corner. It’s a case of you made the problem you solve it!

Fred.

Thread: Sugden Special Castings
25/03/2022 00:31:37

Hi Nicholas,

Twelve years is a long time to wait! Did you locate a casting and have you made the engine yet?
Fred.

Thread: Mc Donald Model tractor
24/03/2022 22:08:11

Thanks for the comments from those who are following the progress on this model and good to hear that you are making a Diesel engine Roger ( what is it?) They do present a real challenge but that’s what makes life interesting. The Mc Donald did not use a cartridge type start. The flywheel has a retractable sprung loaded handle and the engine is “ rocked” until it bounces of compression and fires up. I hope the model will do the same but I expect there will be teething problems and I will just have to try to solve them one at a time.

Fred

Thread: Sugden Special Castings
24/03/2022 21:28:20

Good Day Bill,

I have an original casting for the Sugden Special that I have had in store for at least fifty years and would be willing to part with it! I had intended to make it but at that time I had neither the skills or equipment and yes I live in Australia.

Fred.

Thread: Mc Donald Model tractor
24/03/2022 06:10:59

fd952fec-6647-4832-a46f-eed869e78296.jpegThis shows the pre combustion chamber and the hot bulb with its special peg spanner. The castings still have to be cleaned up and made presentable.

Fred.

24/03/2022 05:43:43

860488fd-900c-482d-8ec5-089238b94beb.jpegThis photograph shows progress so far on the cylinder head with the 3D printer pattern on the right and the real part on the left. The larger of the two holes on the front is for the decompressor valve and the hole below is for the escaping gas. The recess on the left is for a glow plug and yes this was fitted to the full-size tractor and used in cooler climates to help with the starting. In some cases they may have used a spark plug and a trembler coil to provide a cascade of sparks. I will also post a photo of the combustion chamber and the underside of the head/ hot bulb. The bulb is detachable and I may have to experiment with lengths and thicknesses but that’s for later.

Fred.

15/03/2022 20:38:17

Good Day Roger
Thanks for your comments. On the full size tractor there is a place for a plug ( glow or spark) and I have incorporated this in my model and is the hole on the left hand side of the cylinder head. I was told these were used for the starting process in places where the climate is cooler and it is harder to keep the bulb hot. I can fit a 1/4 x 32 commercial glow plug and may use that for initial testing.

Fred

15/03/2022 08:19:29

These are the 3D drawings of the cylinder head with the injector on the top and the hot bulb on the under side. The top photo shows the hot bulb and special peg spanned and the lower part of the combustion chamber all made from steel.I may need to experiment with more hot tubes of various thicknesses and lengths but will have to wait until the rest of the engine is made to test what will actually work. The match box gives some idea of scale. The next stage is to make 3D patterns for the main part of the head and then cast them in aluminium.

Fred

15/03/2022 08:08:44

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12/03/2022 09:12:10

Thanks for your comments. After all this time and effort there is no guarantee that it’s going to work but it’s good fun trying and a great learning process.

Fred.

12/03/2022 07:09:34

This is the injector pump with the cover removed to show what is happening inside. The brass fittings are one way valves that allow fuel in from the tank and then pumped out to the injector nozzle. As the cylinder is almost horizontal gravity is used to seat the ball valves with small 12 BA pins used to prevent them from “ jumping” to far off the seat similar to the check valves used on model steam locomotives.The handle on the right controls the amount of fuel being pumped to the injector and is connected by levers to the drivers end of the tractor. The knurled part holds an “O” ring in place to help form a seal between the 1/8” piston and cast iron cylinder. I now have to start to think about the cylinder head and that will be a really interesting part to design and make but that for next week!

Fred.

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07/03/2022 01:19:08

f8aaead6-71ad-4761-9568-c45f606bf8da.jpegThe photo shows progress this week and it doesn’t look like very much! It’s what you can’t see that has taken the time as it all happens behind the bob weights. I have made and fitted the cover and added various parts.The injector plunger that activates the pump can be seen protruding from the the top and on the left is the arm that operates the oil pump. Further to the left is the inspection hatch that enables the governor springs can be adjusted. Having drawn all these parts they were then 3D printed to give an idea of the full size model parts. The drawing of the parts on the screen gives a false impression of size but having them in your hand is reality. The injector pump and valves will be the next part to be made as weather condition have halted any attempt to make castings ( we work in the open air).
Just a few facts on our weather that may interest you - parts of the east coast of Australia has been hit by a band of very heavy rain but fortunately most of it has missed our area. One Queensland river rose 25 metres, another place had 700 mm in one day and we had hot steamy nights with 27C being recorded at 3.0am! We are looking forward to cooler and drier times.

Fred.

18/02/2022 07:49:09

The photographs show progress on the governor. I still have to add the spring adjusters and test to see what speed the cast iron weights throw out to the outer limits. The eccentric is made from bronze and will have a steel eccentric sleeve/ rod when it is made. Having studied the injector pump arrangements on the Lanz I now understand how it works - the outer eccentric gives the pump stroke and the inner concentric one gives the advance/ retard but I have made mine as shown on one of the sets of drawings for the Mc Donald. If I find after test this does not work I will have to change the design. The reason for choosing this is because there is very little room for two eccentrics and there are less parts to make! The next part to make is the injector pump.

Fred.

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