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Member postings for John Baguley

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Thread: Balancing the steam pressure on the slide valve
29/10/2009 10:10:19
Hi Nick,
I think it will have an effect on reducing wear although how significant that will be remains to be seen! I'm doing it more as an experiment (as a lot of my 'mods' are) to see what the effect will actually be. I want this loco to be as maintenance free and long lived as possible as it's going to be used for passenger hauling at the club on a regular basis.
I've more or less finalised the design and am going for a balance piston on top of the valve. This will be hollow and allow the exhaust to escape through the top of the steam chest rather than the rather tortuous route via the normal exhaust port. The diameter of the balance piston is such that the force holding the valve onto the port face will only be 90% of what it would normally be, but still leaving enough force on the valve to hold it on the port face.
The valve can still lift if necessary to allow any condensate to clear as the balance piston slides in a bore in the valve.
Much of this loco will be 'experimental' . The boiler has been redesigned to the late Jim Ewins formulae with a much bigger firebox and more fire tubes. I am now looking at designing a Lempor exhaust system for it as one will fit nicely using the original chimney height so it won't look out of place. All good fun!
Thread: show track
24/10/2009 10:54:46
Try The Miniature Railway Supply Co. Ltd:
Thread: bits and pieces
13/10/2009 14:43:55
Hi Chris,
there is a website at:
They also attend most of the major exhibitions and will be at the Midlands one this weekend. They're a pretty friendly bunch and are always happy to speak to people at the shows.
13/10/2009 00:46:34
The Eagle castings are available from the 2½" Gauge Association. The castings officer is Christopher Kruikshank who can be contacted at:
The castings are normally sold at cost to members but are available to non members at a slightly higher price.

Edited By John Baguley on 13/10/2009 00:47:41

Thread: Building LBSC 31/2" Mabel
24/09/2009 22:12:57
Hi Stewart,
I'm not building Mabel myself but have had a look at your build notes on the other forum and the problems you are having.
It looks to me as though the problem could well stem from incorrect valve timing i.e. the setting of the eccentrics. The valve dimensions given by LBSC are fine, indeed the port and valve dimensions are pretty standard for a 3½" loco. The face of the valve that moves over the port is 3/32" wider than the port. This is the 'lap' of the valve and it's this lap that allows the steam to be used expansively and hence economically. The total valve travel in full gear should be twice the lap plus twice the width of the port which gives 7/16" (which I believe you have).
It sounds like the valve may be opening at the wrong point in the stroke due to incorrect setting of the eccentrics and you've corrected this by  shortening the valve by a considerable amount in order to get it to run.
Setting the eccentrics on these types of valve gear (Allan, Stephenson, etc.) can be very confusing and frustrating until you have done a few! It's very easy to get the forward and reverse eccentrics crossed over or the eccentrics leading the crank rather than following (or vice versa ! )
Thread: Boiler Test Codes
14/09/2009 00:41:39
The subject of fittings does seem to be a grey area. Appendix B of the code says:
"In addition to the normal inspection for leaks, adequate joints, correct thickness of materials and the absence of any appreciable distortion/bulging to any surfaces, inspectors may wish to consider the following points: "
Note it says may wish to,  not shall or should !
The criteria in appendix B for fiitings seems to be the same for new and previously tested boilers i.e.
'All screw operated valves should be checked to ensure that they cannot be screwed out whilst under pressure'
My interpretation of that is that a boiler with valve spindles that can be unscrewed should be failed whether it is new or old but the opening paragraph to appendix B suggests that the inspector can choose to ignore this?
Definitely something that needs to be clarified!

Edited By John Baguley on 14/09/2009 00:42:40

Thread: Cauliflower.
08/09/2009 00:02:37
A few details and pictures here:
07/09/2009 20:36:59
Hi Chris,
the 'cauliflowers' were the nickname of the 0-6-0  express goods engines designed by F W Webb for the London and North Western Railway. Their official title was '18 inch Goods' I think but were also known as the 'Crested Goods' The nickname came from the crest on the wheel splasher which resembled a cauliflower from a distance!

Edited By John Baguley on 07/09/2009 20:39:10

Thread: Balancing the steam pressure on the slide valve
28/08/2009 18:56:15
Hi Joe,
I'm presently working on an 0-6-2 tank loco based on Simplex castings and my intention is to fit balanced slide valves to reduce the load on the valve gear.
The principle behind balancing the valve is to isolate part of the upper surface of the valve from the steam pressure in the steam chest so reducing the force pressing the valve onto the port face. If you do a search for balanced slide valve on the net you'll find some info which may be useful.
There are various ways by which this can be done in 'our' sizes but will probably require the valve design altering and also changing the drive from the slot and nut to a buckle type drive on the outside of the valve.
One simple way is to turn a short spigot on top of the valve which holds an O ring between the top of the valve and the underside of the steam chest cover. This seals the area inside the O ring from the steam chest pressure. I am not sure how long the O ring will last used like this as they are not really designed to slide. The underside of the steam chest cover would need to have a very smooth finish. This method has been used though and described in Model Engineer a couple of times.
Another way is to fit a 'balance' piston into a bore in the top of the valve which presses and seals against the steam chest cover, again isolating the part of the valve containing the piston. Another version of this has the balance piston mounted in the steam chest cover and the piston has a flat plate that presses on the top of the valve. If you have already made the valve, this option might be possible as the plate could press on the four corners of the valve left after machining the slots for the drive nut and the valve spindle?
Both of the above methods need a small 'vent' hole so that any steam that does get past the O ring or balance piston is vented to atmosphere or exhaust otherwise the pressure will build up on the top of the valve and render the balancing ineffective.

I've done a bit of research through articles in Model Engineer etc. and it seems to be the practice to make the area of the balance piston (or O ring) about 0.9 times the area of the exhaust cavity in the valve.
I'm just designing my set up at the moment but haven't finalised my ideas yet so I can't say for definite how I will do mine.  However, I do intend to have the exhaust exiting through the top of the valve and a balance piston and then through the top of the steam chest cover. (This is the method Don Young used for his 5" gauge Hunslet). This gives a freer exhaust as the steam does not have to exit via the usual tortuous route through the exhaust port in the port face. If you like, I'll post some more details when I've finally sorted the design.

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