|Thread: Direct drive spindle. No gears. No belt?|
Posted by JasonB on 22/01/2021 20:36:26
Part way down the page, looks quite nice
Whole head more likely moved by the handwheel at top side of the column.
Edited By JasonB on 22/01/2021 20:39:30
Brilliant, will take a look.
Posted by JasonB on 22/01/2021 19:49:15
DM if you do get one please keep us updated with how it's put together.
i will, I'm still edging towards it, I'm just paying off a powered hacksaw & a recent wood work bandsaw purchase and then i should have the funds spare to take the plunge.
Posted by JasonB on 22/01/2021 20:25:20
ohhh more info, how did you acquire that?
great info & thoughts on this guys, I'm very tempted to give one a go & be the Guinea pig as no one seems to have first hand experience of these.
Posted by JasonB on 22/01/2021 10:38:24
No more details on the Weiss site either just the same as on Amadeal plus a larger E3 version.
More likely to have an electronic overload that cuts the power if the load is to high.
Would need a fancy hollow motor shaft to allow the drawbar through, maybe even internally splined so the quill can work or the motor moves up and down with the quill.
Then again it could be marketing hype playing with words as it does not have the typical two stage speed ranges that other hobby machines have obtained by belts or gears. Just having one direct belt to the spindle.
yeah i Checked the Weiss site too
Hugh from Amadeal has replied to my gentle probing
"The motor is located directly over the spindle hence doing away with gearing or belts and pulleys. Being a brushless motor there is good torque throughout the speed range."
so it does not sound like hype.
browsing the Amadeal site earlier, they have an E2 mill for sale that they describe as direct drive, no Belt, No Gears
i searched this site & several others but cant find any further info on this type of machine, i have become so used to one or the other.
anyone know about these? the pros & con's?
|Thread: spg tools? any feedback on their sevice|
hi guys, I'm gearing up (lol) for my first mill....
been doing the research crawling through the threads here,
I have been looking at all the most frequent names
Warco, Arc, Chester, Amadeal, Axminster, toolco...
will have to be a bench mill as i have to get it into my cellar shop & im pretty settled on induction motor & belt driven (similar traits i prefer in my other machines)
i had found what i thought ticked my boxes on Toolco & Warco, but emails indicate they have no new stock coming soon to toolco & warco are out of stock & i understand i just need to pre order and wait as they pre sell shipments... the WM16B was my fave
i did like the Seig SX2.7 (& the L) the tapping feature appeals (though i have a perfectly good tapping head) but its pushing cost & its more than likely i need to pay using paypal which Arc dont accept
i had just resigned myself to wait, but today browsing i landed on SPG by pure chance, i have not come across before... now being a wood monkey & out of my element thats not at all surprising so i thought i would ask here if they are well known?
|Thread: New Member in Yorkshire|
regards from wf2
|Thread: Hello from Yorkshire|
another from the yorkshire clan... welcome, welcome
|Thread: Hello from Yorkshire (another one !)|
another yorkshire man, cracking,
I'm just down the road in wakie, i will be no help as i dont have any experience on mill or lathe yet.... but its great to see so many locals on here.
Posted by Steviegtr on 29/12/2020 13:50:45
Welcome Gareth. I hope you get all the machinery to fit in with your new man cave.
thanks Steve, buying machinery & tooling has never been a problem for me... holding off buying too much is the issue.... so I'm sure i will acquire things quite easily once i know enough about what to buy...
i have a reasonable amount of space, at 4m x 4m.... but its down stairs in a cellar so i will be limited with what i can get down there, and anything i do buy i need to be able to dismantle enough to do that.... but i do enjoy a challenge
Posted by Harry Wilkes on 29/12/2020 13:36:24
Welcome to the forum
Posted by Georgineer on 29/12/2020 12:40:25
Until the twentieth century (and actually well into it) a lot of parts you describe would have been made by hand, and a lot of brass turning was done freehand much like turning wood, so you are actually communing with the ancestors when you do hand work. It can definitely be quicker to do it by machine, though.
It might be worth clarifying Howard's lathe size suggestion - he is talking about 'swing', which is the diameter of work that can be turned, and is a common way of describing lathes in the US. In the UK it is more common to talk about 'centre height' which is the radius of work that can be turned. So a UK 3½" lathe is the same as a US 7" lathe, for example.
George, i love that thinking... I make my wood shells mixing very modern & very traditional methods, but when it comes to period pieces i even re saw my own veneers from solid stock, to make sure i can match the older wood stock thickness & construction formats not available now.... "communing with the ancestors" is a glorious way of putting it.
more motes taken & things learned re the lathe size info, terms & differences i didn't know, thank you, i was actually been offered a 3 1/2" lathe before things went south with Covid this year, I'm hoping i can pick up with the guy about it soon, get over to see it & discuss with him.
Posted by Howard Lewis on 29/12/2020 12:22:46
If you come across a problem, someone on here will be able to advise.
With a lathe you will be able to make your own bespoke shaft couplings.
When you choose a lathe, if you haven't already got one, my suggestion would be one a little larger than you think. otherwise you will suffer the frustration of ma job that needs turning but is too big for the lathe. You can do small work on a big lathe, but not the other way round!.
Not that I am suggesting a 21" swing machine, but probably 7 to 10" possibly?. (Unlikely that you would want to turn drums from the solid! )
My guess is that eventually you will want to cut threads, both Left and Right hand. In the smaller sizes, you should be able to obtain Taps and Dies from folk such as Tracy Tools, or The tap and Die Company.
Having said that,the facility to screwcut will be invaluable, one day. So a lathe with a leadscrew, and changewheels, or even a Norton gearbox, will be essential.
thanks Howard, info noted on lathe sizes, its the same theory with wood working tools such as band saws, always get as big as you can.. i will be limited by space in the cave but also access to it which is down some stairs (its in my cellar) but i will get as big as i can dismantle & move in....
i certainly dont want to turn snare drums from solid stock myself , however one of my most popular drums is turned from Ali & is 14" diameter & 1" thick, i have a good friend who owns a precision engineering firm who does such stuff for me, as the silly ideas enter my head, we also do some sand cast cast bronze & turned snare drums which are 5mm thick.
re taps, threads & screw cutting, i do a lot of hand tapping/re-tapping & do have a tapping head for one of my pillar drills, however I'm limited with what i can fit under it, so id be keen to get set up to do this at some point as the baby steps get bigger.
Posted by Chris Evans 6 on 29/12/2020 09:45:24
Welcome along, if you can post a picture of a typical part you would like to make. I am curious having never been the slightest bit musical.
thanks Chris, I’m not sure there will be a typical part, or should i say, typical parts I can get, its the non typical parts that are an issue, pre 50’s and rock & roll which brought mass production to my industry, drums were very much made individually and not exact copies of the previous, and not built by grabbing components from an inventory, but making each one as they went along the job.
sometimes i can work around it modifying an existing part to fit, often i cant... but id get away with a lot more modifying if i had more metal working skills & tooling…. i have done a lot with woodworking pillar drills, a set of taps & various sanding machines. we are usually talking small brass parts in the cases, I will get some pics up to give you an idea, non of its complicated stuff my other need is more for making parts for the machinery i use or want to build , no one sells drum making tooling, my jigs are made in house but thats easy as a wood worker.
Most of my actual specific job machines are modified & repurposed from other machines... I buy machinery & parts like crazy. even if they look like they might be uses full for something & sit on the shelf for years... often the biggest issue is connecting all the things together, I need custom connectors, plates, spacers, even simple riser washers that I just can't quite get in the right height or diameter etc.
I spent the summer making a twin head horizontal pillar drill for drilling the holes in our shells, its made from machinery oddities old & new.
but was held up for months as i could not get a shaft connector to bring together a 14mm metric shaft to a 1" imperial shaft, the issue was all the ones i could find off the shelf were 2mm too big on the overall OD to fit in the space it needed to go.... i was cursing myself as i could not turn it down.... in the end i spent 3 days making a one off jig to turn it down on a disc sander... it worked, but it was the long way round.
then of course, there is the ability for me to prototype my own parts & one offs for my own drums as & when i get ideas.
I will make sure i throw some pics up to give you an idea
Thanks for the warm welcome guys, its very much appreciated. Gareth
Posted by David George 1 on 29/12/2020 07:45:52:
Hi welcome to the forum. There are loads of information and helpful people on here who can give ideas on how to solve problems etc. Perhaps you can give information as well.
i have already been raiding that info for a while, the amount of times i have been searching for something & this forum pops up via Google is staggering, i felt i better join in, hopefully i can contribute in the future, though some of my current methods & workaround's may horrify the real engineers
Posted by Brian H on 29/12/2020 09:31:22:
Hello and welcome Mr. Drum Maker. I doubt that there are many other drum makers on here but as you seem to want to set up a small metal working facility that is of no consequence.
If you have any questions there will be people on here willing to give advice and help.
I'd be staggered if there was even one Brian, we are a very rare breed, less than a hand full of us do it for a job in the UK, few hobby part timers, but we would not fill a minibus, i know most of the serious hobby & all the pro guys.
but yes, I'm here to learn more about metal working and seeing if i can get myself set up with a mini workshop, will treat it as a bolt on hobby to start with. i have a couple of excellent precision engineers who do my big drum stuff.
what a fascinating place this is, I just went down a 4 hour worm hole reading the threads of what you guys make & what you use.
i have lurked here sporadically over the years as Google has lead me to landing on threads with answers I had to engineering questions.
I'm no model engineer or engineer of any kind, woodworker by day hand making drums (musical) or restoring & repairing them for people.... but its a trade that has often needed me to do small amounts of metal working & this seems to be getting more & more frequent as I build/repurpose/modify more complicated machinery to do the very niche & specialist jobs that find me.
my father who had a background in engineering is often amazed how far i have got with no lathe, milling machine etc....
but I'm getting the itch, just having access to some small tooling would help make the odd replacement or custom part for many jobs i do, i have no more room for industrial type machines at work... but I'm thinking a small/mini Mill & Lathe could find a home in the mancave I'm starting this year & it might give me a new challenge to learn the processes.
until then i will keep the reading & exploring what you guys do, i might even as the odd question.