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Thread: Which Milling machine and what is its footprint?
11/07/2020 21:49:08

Hi folks

I have finally been able to get some woodwork done and the depth of the bench is now 500mm.

I have had a good look at the SX2.7L, there is a fair chance it will fit. A 3.5 is just too big.

The Warco WM16B is looking very attractive, its drip tray would fit on the bench,as its only 482 deep, 520 wide according to the website. I have been in contact and they are opening the demo room with gloves and masks mandatory, so I will pop over when I can.

Its obvious that the Sieg has a deeper vertical casting which is bound to make it stiffer. At the moment the decision may be based on Warco being over an hour closer to my home.

I have had a look on ebay, but "affordable" machines seem to be trashed, the rest seem a lot of money compared to a new Chinese machine with a warranty.

Thanks for all the help, I will report what happens when I get round there, hopefully in a couple of weeks. . laugh

Thread: Warco WM14 mill with DRO
08/07/2020 20:14:51
Posted by Keith Fox on 14/01/2020 19:48:16:

A quick update. I was surfing the internet and came across a Grizzly G0758Z which seems to be the same as the Warco WM14 mill. On looking at the Grizzly web site found some details of the factory fitted DRO.

Based on what I saw, I will not be getting the Warco WM14 with the factory fitted DRO, but will purchase the one supplied by Warco, which I will fit myself.

HI Keith, how did your purchase go?

I am looking at a Warco and would be buying and fitting DRO, so your experience is very pertinent to me.



Thread: Mill
06/07/2020 21:18:49

Sooo many variables! Clive's essay is very thoughtful, thanks.


Thread: Which Milling machine and what is its footprint?
05/07/2020 21:19:19

Thanks Stuart,

The SX2.7L has a useful table, it makes the Axminster version look very small.

Thanks Steve

Its nice to know that the smaller machines are adequate for challenging work.

05/07/2020 15:03:15

Hi guys

Ta Bill, I have not made up my mind, have you been happy with the X2? If you did need to up-size, what features would you want based on your experience so far?

Thanks Paul, I note that only the smallest machines tilt the column, it sounds like a double argument for a slightly larger machine.

04/07/2020 22:38:03


So back to the problem in hand -

I have been graciously told that the WM 14 machines are fine on a 500 bench. The metal drawers are actually 18" 460mm deep, but I think I can steal a little room.

The VM16 is a bit bigger and needs at least 500, plus sticks out a good bit, so perhaps it is the practical limit of this bench design.

The Axminster SX2.7 is illustrated mounted flush on a 515mm table top, so I suspect that it, and its SIEG brothers need a bit more space than I have. They are 30mm deeper than the VM16 and probably would need plan B - to take the space used by the Drummond - unless I do something special.

SX3 variants seem to have the same base as the SX2.7, and the VM 18 is getting big too.

The Drummond is no micro- lathe, it is about 42" 1070mm long, so takes up a lot of bench. However it is not going to be working soon, so perhaps its best place is on the back of the bench stripped down for restoration. angel

That would leave me with a space of 1.4m, 55" between the South Bend and the door for a second bench on which I could put a milling machine. So I haven't made a decision at all.


Actually I have - I will build this bench around 490-500 deep, checking the crush gap between the bench and door. Whichever milling machine I get will go where it fits.

So on the basis that I don't want to have to upgrade in the future, I want good quality, I want to buy new, rather than fix up an old machine, I will be keeping to the smaller end of the model engineering, 3 1/2" gauge rail and probably 2" or smaller 3" scale traction engines, what machine should I get?? laugh

Thanks for all of your advice.

04/07/2020 21:26:58


The little lathe is a Drummond M-type, presumably coming up for its 100th birthday. Its a cracking hobby lathe, nominally 3 1/2" it has a good gap bed, a whopping 9" face plate and loads of bits I have yet to sort out.

Obviously I don't need two lathes, but this one has waited 20 years for some TLC and I do like it.

It was sold to me by a gent who became a mentor and close friend to my brother, he lived just off, Maidstone Road, Rainham Kent, so someone might know him. He died many years ago, a great loss to my brother.


04/07/2020 21:12:58


The other end is dominated by my WW2 South Bend Heavy 10 with taper turning attachment. It sticks out 27", 690mm, so well in the way for getting past.


04/07/2020 21:07:06

I just spend ages measuring and thinking and checking dimensions and thinking. Its amazing how poor I am at making a decision considering I have been on this since 2004.

I then spend ages typing this post, hit the wrong button and it all disappeared. angry

I have managed to up-load some pictures. The mahogany came out of a skip about 20 years ago when a previous employer ripped out some office partitions that probably dated from the 1950s. When we moved from Gateshead to Hampshire it came too. The time and trouble of bridging across the metal drawers is fine by me as the draws are lovely and the vendors didn't know what load they could take. I have a 18" x 24" surface plate to fit on as well as a heavy vice and prospective machine tool.


The gap in the foreground will have a fume cupboard, so what you see is the bench, about 2m long.

04/07/2020 12:57:51

Thanks Stuart - it looks like a '16 would be appropriate and a bigger machine would need plan B. indecision


Edited By Roger Best on 04/07/2020 12:58:58

03/07/2020 17:43:54
Posted by JasonB on 02/07/2020 18:23:56:

Is that a very over width wooden door or is you space more like 1000mm wide?

Its a massive door, its over-height too. The door was over £2k and there is another grand of stainless in the wall to avoid having a return in the wall, but it will last me out and I can get anything in or out, so that's fine.

When I sell the place I will advertise this as a motorbike garage, I am not sure if "small traction engine garage" has a significant Market. laugh

02/07/2020 17:01:10

Hi chaps, thanks for all your replies.

You have me persuaded on tilting, I won't worry either way.

Interesting to see that the small Warco base is so much smaller than its listed footprint Journeyman- the handle obviously sticks out a long way. That's why I asked, they all have a smaller base than the outside dimension across the handle.

The folding handle tip is very pertinent Clive, ta.

My workshop is a corridor Not done it yet, or more precisely a side alley, with bedroom four extended above. I could put a machine at the end but would have to get my bicycle past it, an even worse problem than having it on the bench. There is a door at either end and the bike end is a good size and swings out, but the other swings into the work space and has to miss the bench. So all in all plan A is the best one. The bench will be over 2m long, so plenty of traverse space, I just have to get a machine that does the job, fits and will last to repay the investment.

01/07/2020 22:40:03

Roger Benson - ta

01/07/2020 22:30:20

...and Dave Whipp's


01/07/2020 22:18:01

smiley Just found Derek Cottiss's thread - great!

Next numpty question - how important is it to be able to tip the head, I am thinking about drilling awkward steam channels, is a tilting table just easier?

Obviously this is a differentiator between Sieg and Warco models. I am torn between the big and expensive Axminster 2.7 or the WM14 or WM16,

Thread: milling machine which one ?
01/07/2020 22:04:52

Very helpful thread, thanks guys.

Thread: Which Milling machine and what is its footprint?
01/07/2020 19:21:26

Hi folks

In persuit of my dream I am building a robust bench, upon which I would like to put a milling machine. However the room is only 1200 across, so a bench 500mm deep would be big enough for the space.

Looking at the likely candidates, it seems they have a significant distance between the front feet and the rearmost plane of the machine (i.e. against the wall). Some won't fit.

I don't need a big machine, I love small engines like GE Mercers and 3 1/2" Tiches, so I don't need to make big items, but a decent bed to fit chassis rails and stuff on would help.

I would like a DRO or three. It is possible to put it elsewhere but I would prefer not to.

Which is a good buy, why, and how deep a bench is required?

Thread: Hi Folks!
01/07/2020 19:10:47

Hi everyone,

Whilst recovering from CV-19 and under lock-down I have been reviewing my priorities. On the bucket list is to make some steam engines.

This is not so unusual, I have been collecting toy engines for 47 years and exhibiting them for about 25, in the process I have gained a couple of degrees in mechanical engineering and become a Fellow of the IMechE, so its about time.

See you around

Roger Best

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