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Thread: New Mill - Starter Tooling
13/10/2018 09:11:21

Thanks Jason, I cant find the 80mm universal, only a 70mm precision universal which is swivel and tilt at £315..?


13/10/2018 08:42:37

Yet another question...sorry guys.

The mill arrives Tuesday and it has a clamping set, I have 6mm and 10mm end mills plus finger collets on the way just to get me started.

I am trying to decide on a vice and looking at the ARC catalogue (budget range) there are two options I am looking at. There is a 100mm swivel vice for £52 and a 100mm tilting (non swivel) for £80. The mill has 285mm spindle to table so I was considering the vice height, dont want anything too tall. The swivel vice is 110mm high and 83mm with swivel base removed, the tilting vice is 75mm high so quite shallow with no tilt.

I was wondering in practice and general milling what am I likely to find more useful the swivel or the tilt..?


Edited By Ron Laden on 13/10/2018 08:49:44

12/10/2018 14:10:38

I did say that the forum member I am buying the mill from is a nice guy, he told me he would make a box to ship the mill to me but I didnt expect this, he made a timber packing crate with a pallet base. I think it stands a good chance of arriving safe and sound !



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12/10/2018 13:24:58

Thanks guys, quite useful then, I will remember those for the future.

12/10/2018 13:08:07

Stevensons Collet Blocks..?, not that I want any its just I saw them in the catalogue and couldnt get my head around how they would be used.

Thread: 5 inch 0-4-0 Shunter
12/10/2018 09:22:55

Not fifty shades of grey just two, the main painting is finished. A few bits of surface detail to add, weathering and a final top coat of clear satin. Cab to glaze plus correct a wonky window frame, build and fit the cab control panel and finalise the wiring.

Chassis needs front and rear foot ladders, some areas of detail plus a pair of clevis couplings, with my first mill arriving next week smiley I will be able to produce my own.


Thread: Parting off - again, sorry
11/10/2018 17:20:09
Posted by JasonB on 11/10/2018 15:43:05:

I put a tri square or 123 block against the side of the holder (blade) and check against the side or face of the chuck.

Also make sure your toolpost is tight and not getting turn by the force of the cut.

I have a couple of small slip gauges in my box and I used one of those to check that I was presenting the blade square. Seeing Jasons post and thinking about it I checked the blade was square to the work piece when really I should have checked against the chuck, I can see that now. I found the difficult part was grinding the blade square as its such a narrow cutting edge.

11/10/2018 13:59:59
Posted by JasonB on 11/10/2018 13:16:16:


Speed wise put it in the slower speed range but run towards max 900-1000 and feed briskly.

I recently turned a set of buffers from 35mm dia ali and Jasons advice above is pretty much what I found worked for me using a 1.5mm HSS tool. Moving up to a 3mm tool I would avoid if my experience with one is anything to go by. If you are using a mini-lathe as I am I would argue that a 3mm parting tool is too much for them. I have a HSS 3.2mm tool and the lathe just doesnt like it, even with ali, I tried everything I could but it was not happy.

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Thread: New Mill - Starter Tooling
11/10/2018 10:43:54

Thanks Vic, but I have no space for a bigger mill, I only have just enough for the SX2P and as far as I can see I think it will cover most of what I need a mill for, thanks anyway.

11/10/2018 10:17:09

Thank you guys, much appreciated, hope I,m not a pain with all these questions.


11/10/2018 08:51:31

How important is knowing the spindle speed when milling..? The SX2P doesnt have a speed DRO as standard but a plug in one is available, there is even a bracket to fit it too. Using the mini-lathe I dont always refer to the DRO, I sort of got into the habit of setting a speed by eye for the size and type of material and tweaked it up or down depending on the cut. I tend to use it more when parting and producing more than one part, making a note of the speed that worked best.

10/10/2018 11:00:29
Posted by not done it yet on 10/10/2018 09:55:24:

If I were you, I would be waiting and make up my own mind after finding out what is available and what you will actually need.

By following the advice of abc or xyz here, on the forum, you may end up with either something you didn’t want, or something you won’t ever need.

I am a beginner ndiy and I did start the thread by saying I had a limited budget and didnt want to buy things I may never use. As far as I can see I think the advice the guys have posted here took that into consideration. There are a lot of very experienced people on the forum that seem to be happy to pass on their knowledge to the beginner. To be honest the way I was thinking of making a start with the mill would in hindsight have taken me down the wrong path but the help I,ve received on starting this thread changed my thinking.

I do wonder sometimes if asking the same old beginners questions one becomes a bit of a pain, but so far I have never experienced that, or at least I dont know about it.


Edited By Ron Laden on 10/10/2018 11:02:46

10/10/2018 10:22:13

Thanks Jason, when I come to fit them I will probably do all 3 axis.

10/10/2018 10:10:04

I wont have the mill until next week and here I am thinking mods/upgrades but having just got the ARC catalogue it is nice to window shop, the mods will come later as I need to make a simple start and get used to the machine.

The mill comes with a clamp set so I just need a couple of cutters and collets to make a start, I happen to have some lengths of 40mm square alu bar so they will come in for some practice.

I need to get a vice and one or two people have mentioned getting a good vice which I can understand, but to keep within my start budget I was thinking of the 80mm basic one from ARC at £48, it looks ok, its got a removable swivel base and I didnt want to go for too big a vice to start with plus its not a large mill.

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10/10/2018 09:34:16

Thanks guys, I was thinking X and Z Dave, I at least know my X,Y and Z positions if nothing

So I will go with X and Y and fit Z if I think it is beneficial but sounds like probably not.

Edited By Ron Laden on 10/10/2018 09:50:28

Thread: Forged & Filed
10/10/2018 08:34:28



Thread: New Mill - Starter Tooling
10/10/2018 08:09:20

Thinking about the digital readout bars, I only considered fitting them to the X and Z. In practice would it be useful to have one on the Y as there is a 150mm version available. Not having used a mill, at the moment I dont know how useful it would be but I,m guessing it would be.

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09/10/2018 17:14:41

Thanks Zeb and Paul,

Paul I do think it is a bit of an addictive hobby. I could still ask people I know to make parts for me but its not quite the same assembling/building something from off the shelf or friend supplied parts.There will be parts that I still need my friends help or expertise with but having the lathe and now a mill that should become less and less. Looking forward to it.


09/10/2018 13:10:10

I received the ARC catalogue yesterday and noticed the Digital Readout Bars with Remote Readout, it seemed to me that they would be a very good addition to the mill.

The 300mm model is £35 which I thought very reasonable, a 300mm type should cover the Z axis and the same size for the X axis, the bars can be cut/adjusted to length as required. There is also bars with built in readout but I thought you would have to look around to the side of column for the Z reading unless it was fitted facing forward which is a bit more involved. They are not swarf or coolant proof and guards are recommended but they wouldnt be difficult to make and fit. The digital displays I thought could be mounted on a forward facing panel.

I will certainly look into those once I have the mill.

09/10/2018 09:39:29

I cant see me going for a larger mill unless we moved house, I have a tiny workshop (the only space I have) and I couldnt house a larger mill. Also for the type and size of machining I will be doing the SX2P should do me fine.

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