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Thread: MIlling cutter pulling out of collet
04/05/2021 11:00:06

Another thing to look at if other suggestions haven't identified the source of your problem: my first ever R8 collet, bought from a reputable supplier, was fine out of the box on its first use. On its second use I couldn't get it to close quite firmly enough onto the cutter.

A careful look along the full length of the collet's slots revealed an inch-long curly strand of metal hiding away in one of the slots that was still attached to the collet at its upper end. It had clearly not been machined away as it should have been by the manufacturer during the cutting of the slots. On its second use it must have moved position to interfere with the proper closing of the collet. Once removed, everything worked as it should have done.

Edited By Bill Phinn on 04/05/2021 11:03:41

Thread: Soldering a mitred tube?
30/04/2021 17:07:04

Yes, I turned it over, after pausing for 30 seconds, to run more solder down the other side.

The setting up was rather fiddly; making sure the two parts were sitting where they needed to be in relation to one another and not under any tension that might work to drive them apart once heat had been put into them took a lot longer than the actual soldering.

30/04/2021 13:18:26


img_0544.jpgBit of a rush job preceding a hospital visit, but this is how I held the work:


Edited By Bill Phinn on 30/04/2021 13:19:39

Thread: Can you suggest a better Bookbinding Glue?
29/04/2021 23:20:36

John, I answered your question about where to get millboard here: **LINK**

You can also buy millboard from Hewit's, but theirs is not Gemini, and not guaranteed PH neutral afaik.

For applying adhesives in the circumstances you describe I would use a brush, not a spatula.

Contrary to what you say to Peter Low, I use PVA regularly for bookbinding, just not on the backfolds [and on certain other parts] of antiquarian books.

If you want to learn the difference between greyboard [lined or otherwise] and millboard, or any other definitive information on bookbinding, I'd suggest reading an authoritative manual on the subject such as Arthur Johnson's, or the invaluable works of the late Bernard Middleton. Your suggested disambiguation for the two classes of board isn't accurate.

29/04/2021 20:54:21

John, I'd have to see exactly what you're doing to know what adhesive I'd use, but the EVA/paste mix from Shepherds is a good general choice for cloth on board in giving a generous "open" time before the glue starts to go off and in having archival qualities.

There are alternative sources for good quality bookbinding adhesives to Shepherds, namely J Hewit and Sons, Ratchfords, Conservation Resources, and Conservation by Design.

If you want a strong [and archival] board, forget any type of greyboard; choose millboard instead.

Martyn, among other circumstances in which I use paste, I too use it [or sometimes gelatine] as the first adhesive on back folds of spines on antiquarian books, and do so not just for reasons of reversibility; Evacon and some PVA's are reversible and supposedly PH neutral, but I'd be surprised if their long term effects on paper and leather are as benign as a simple starch paste.

29/04/2021 19:08:25

For bookbinding - none of those.

29/04/2021 19:04:09

There are many [e.g. PVA's, PVA/paste mixes, hide glues, hot melts, something from the Planatol range] or no glues at all that might fit the bill, depending on what your exact requirements are. Your number 3 requirement especially is hard to be certain of; how much flex are you talking about? It's worth pointing out that card, paper and even cloth are not very tolerant of repeated flexion when the angle of flexion becomes quite small, even if the glue is.

Posted by John Smith 47 on 29/04/2021 17:14:59:

I need to be able to apply the glue to both to small (5x5cm) areas and also to fairly large areas (e.g. A4), without it setting - in effect before I can apply the second other surface that is to be glued on.

What you describe there is a basic procedure in bookbinding "forwarding". Success in it has a lot to do with your current bench skills, specifically how dexterously you can handle glued-out paper and cloth without making a mess and getting glue where it's not supposed to go. It's not a skill that comes over night, particularly if you are having to handle large sheets.

I take it you have a grounding in the sorts of things that, besides choice of adhesive, are critical to obtaining neat and effective adhesion of bookbinding materials, e.g. grain direction, the porosity, penetrability and gsm of the paper or card, what is being stuck to what, the likely pull different quantities/concentrations of your chosen adhesive will exert when the work is dry...

Edited By Bill Phinn on 29/04/2021 19:07:38

Thread: Care home fees and what they want.'
28/04/2021 00:56:47

It's intrusive, yes, but presumably designed to reassure the care home that a potential resident will have the means to fund their care for the whole duration of their projected stay.

If, some time after admission, the self-funder's savings dry up, am I right in thinking the local authority will generally pay the care home less money per week than it was getting under the previous self-funding arrangement? If so, I should imagine it's a situation most care homes will want to avoid, and it's presumably why not all care homes will accept local authority-funded residents.

Are you definitely no longer in a position to continue providing care for your mother in her own home, Peter?

Thread: Which type/brand of razor blades stay sharp longest? (cutting card/greyboard)
27/04/2021 23:03:29
Posted by John Smith 47 on 27/04/2021 20:23:06:

@Bill Phinn - out of interest when you cut thin strips of board, does the Victorian Board Cutter (/guillotine?) put a curl into the board that has been cut off to do they recover and lie completely flat after having?

Also where do you get your "mill board" from?

I don't often need to cut narrow/thin strips, but if I do then yes, I would expect a certain amount of curling of the strip, even if the grain direction of the board is parallel, as it ordinarily should be, with the long edge of the piece being cut; if the grain direction is at 90 degrees to the cut, the curling will be much more pronounced.

The curling can, however, be reversed quite effectively if the strip is very lightly damped and placed under a weight between pressing boards until it's completely dry.

One of the best features of the boardcutter, apart from the fact that it will cut through the full width of a 3mm sheet of millboard in one pass, is the foot operated clamp, which guarantees the board will not move while the considerable cutting force of the blade is doing its work.

I buy my millboard [branded Gemini] from John Purcell Paper.

Besides the boardcutter, I also have a fairly old Avery P640 rotary trimmer, which is very useful for paper and card as long as you don't try to cut through too much material at once. If you do, you will not only get a rough finish, but the material will tend to want to move during the cut.

If I was buying one of these kinds of table-top rotary cutters again, I'd probably opt for one of the Rotatrim Professional series of rotary cutters, which I've tried and which seem to be more robust than my Avery.

27/04/2021 19:42:14

Yes, Swann Morton 10A for card and paper.

I don't use much greyboard these days, but do use the much denser [and archival] millboard.

Since I can't realistically cut either type of board by hand, I use the Victorian boardcutter in the photo for doing so.

Its blade cuts with a shearing action, so thankfully it has a very different profile from the crazily sharp edge a guillotine blade has to have.


Thread: Gas Fitting
11/04/2021 21:23:26

Michael is right about the bayonet.

As for the rest, my understanding is that if you're working on your own gas installations in your own home, the crucial requirement is that you be "competent". Whether this means that [to do gas work in your own home] you have to be currently Gas Safe registered is something there appears not to be absolute clarity on.

The rub is that even if "competent" is enough, there's always the chance that you might be called on at a later date to demonstrate to certain authorities that you are/were competent.

Thread: Recommended suppliers and services
09/04/2021 18:56:48
Posted by Buffer on 09/04/2021 18:20:24:

none of the shiny Chinese things that you get in a set but good quality low helix drills.

Just out of interest, Buffer, is it your belief that none of the drills Drill Service sell are made in China?

Thread: Are we being listened to on the phone
03/04/2021 13:15:23
Posted by John Baron on 03/04/2021 09:33:39:
Posted by V8Eng on 28/03/2021 23:14:25:

Apparently we might be getting listened to whilst on our phones.

Who’s listening

What ever makes you think that the UK, USA and other countries don't listen in ! We have GCHQ and have been spying on ourselves and others for years ! Mobile phones and computers just make it easier ! Why do you think that strong encryption is considered a weapon in the US and unlawful not to give up passwords here in the UK.

John, though highlighting such points of equivalence is always laudable, I think we should be careful to remember the dissimilarities too.

What is crucial is not merely the level of surveillance a country's citizens are exposed to but the consequences for them of that surveillance - specifically whether legal protections are in place against injustice, particularly state injustice, arising from that surveillance. It essentially boils down to how free or how repressive the society you live in is.

There may not be that much difference between the amount of surveillance different countries expose their citizens to, but there is a world of difference between the sort of life that surveillance allows people of different countries to lead.

For anyone who is interested, a useful working comparison can be had by looking here and here:

27/03/2021 16:50:02
Posted by Howi on 27/03/2021 09:53:12:

If you have nothing to fear, why worry...

Come on chaps...the world is NOT that bad.

It depends where in the world you happen to be.

26/03/2021 20:29:01

I've never experienced this problem as I don't own a smart phone and never intend to own one, but if you have any social media accounts, Steve, [e.g. Facebook, Instagram] is there a "use my microphone" option on these accounts you can turn off? This may help.

Then again...

Thread: High temp.-tolerant filler needed
25/03/2021 16:22:42

Thanks, Jason. I'll practise my burning-in technique. Doing it that way may save some mither in the long run.

25/03/2021 13:18:20
Posted by Michael Gilligan on 24/03/2021 21:48:16:

Milliput is good to 130 deg C, available in various colours, and can be stained

Not quite to your spec. but probably worth a try



**LINK** :

Thanks, Michael. I've ordered some of the standard colour and will give it a go.


Posted by JasonB on 25/03/2021 06:59:03:

Can you not fit the handle in the traditional way of heating to red hot and plunging into an undersize guide hole in the wooden handle?

That would be a bit risky, Jason, as the tang is silver-soldered to the type chamber, and the joint between the two is milled perfectly square on one side to accept a stepped screw-on mounting boss for a central adjusting screw. Any movement at the joint at this stage would be pretty disastrous. Burning in for me is also a bit more unforgiving with regard to getting a handle perfectly straight, but I accept that others may be much more adept at this method than I am.

It's apparent from the dozen or so secondhand typeholders I own that the handles very often do work loose. I think this is almost always due to users leaving their typeholders on the stove for too long and scorching out the hole in the handle. I say this because in my own case typeholders with wooden handles I bought new twenty-five years ago show no loosening of the handle, and I assume this is because I never leave them on the stove longer than is necessary. Asbestos handles have been tried over the years instead of wood, but they've never been popular.

Edited By Bill Phinn on 25/03/2021 13:19:15

24/03/2021 21:04:46

I want to fill the gap that remains after fitting between the tapered rectangular-section brass tang of a tool and the round hole it is inserted into in a wooden handle. The tool in question is a bookbinder's hand typeholder.

I've made several of these and have used several different fillers, none of which completely meets my needs.

The primary requirements of the filler are that it:

  • is temperature tolerant [up to around 150 degrees Celsius]
  • bonds well to brass and wood
  • won't crumble/disintegrate in use and fall out
  • is a wood [or a brass] colour


Standard JB Weld meets the temp. tolerance requirement but is the wrong colour.

JB Weld Wood Weld is the right colour but not remotely temp. tolerant.

Ronseal two-part epoxy wood filler is a good colour, gives a very firm bond, but is also not sufficiently temp. tolerant.

Everbuild wood filler is a good colour but a little too crumbly once dry and yet again not sufficiently temp. tolerant.

If anyone has a suggestion for a filler, whether commercially available or home made, I'd be grateful to hear of it.

Edited By Bill Phinn on 24/03/2021 21:08:47

Thread: JB Weld
16/03/2021 16:36:07

Am I the only one whose monitor shows Ramon's mixed JB Weld as a brownish mud colour? The standard stuff I've used has always been grey.

Thread: Axminster tools to discontinue their engineering courses.
15/03/2021 20:14:23

I've had it from the lips of more than one Axminster Tools employee that demand [for merchandise and training] from woodworkers has traditionally been much higher than demand from metal workers.

Maybe it's that firstly there are higher entry barriers to taking up metalworking than woodworking, and secondly most routine home DIY work involves little metalworking but quite a bit of woodworking. Even professional house bashers don't show much need for metalworking equipment.

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