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Thread: Ambiguous words
28/04/2022 23:31:27

Thanks for the word from the street, Peter. I'll run this past my Canadian cousin too next time I speak to her.

A valuable anecdote, Duncan, and one borne out by section 4a of the entry for "shop" in the OED:

"4.a. A building or room equipped and used for a particular craft or manufacturing trade; a workshop (frequently as opposed to an office). In later use also (spec.): a room or department in a factory where a particular stage of production is carried out (frequently with distinguishing word)."

Slightly overlapping with this is section 2:

"2. A house or building where goods are made or prepared for sale and also sold. Now archaic and rare."

So it appears that if goods are sold as well as made in the place, calling it a shop is archaic and rare, at least according to the OED, which, language being what it is, can never be an infallible guide to usage.

My own limited knowledge of the difference between American/Canadian and British "shop" was until now confined to what we're told in the note added to 3a:

"In British English, shop usually refers to any building or part of a building where goods are sold, whereas in North America this kind of building is usually called a store (store n. 12), while shop more commonly refers to a place where things are done or made, or to a smaller retail establishment offering a limited range of goods. In British English store is usually a large retail complex, such as a department store."

Edited By Bill Phinn on 28/04/2022 23:33:09

28/04/2022 19:56:18
Posted by Peter Greene 🇨🇦 on 28/04/2022 18:39:44:

I was walking past a store in the shopping mall today.

"Shop" and "store" are two ambiguous words.

Is what Americans/Canadians call a "store" ever described as a "shop" over there? Can you say "go storing" or does it have to be "go shopping"?

I've noticed UK-based Youtubers with engineering-related channels referring to their "shop", by which they mean "workshop". This appears not to have been native UK English usage until recently.

Edited By Bill Phinn on 28/04/2022 19:58:08

Thread: Cheap stuff
28/04/2022 17:29:55
Posted by Steviegtr on 28/04/2022 02:46:45:

Tip of the week is , you should have saved more when you were working . That way you could could visit car booties instead of planting potatoes & try to belittle others of greater intelect than you have.

I know i am fortunate to be able to do thing others , can not do due to financial constraints,

Steve, your opening point was that it doesn't cost much to populate your workshop if you buy at boot sales. Here you seem to be saying going to boot sales is only for the financially fortunate.

Jason's two points came across as sober observations to me, and he even sugar coated the second slightly with an emoji to atone for his trademark laconism. I'm not sure you're correct either in saying he "never shows his mug".

On the subject of disrespect, it's not very respectful to sneer at others' perceived impecuniousness or to effectively claim, as you have done, to have a greater intellect than others have.

For the record, I enjoy, and derive benefit from, watching both your and Jason's videos.

Edited By Bill Phinn on 28/04/2022 17:45:38

Thread: Recommend a small lathe(and mill)
28/04/2022 16:48:52

Did things not work out for you with the small lathe you picked up on 7th November 2020?

Thread: Workshop warming
28/04/2022 12:50:17

Dress technically, Mick.

A goose-down or heated body warmer and hat. When really cold, thermal base layers as well.

Just avoid long, or at least floppy, sleeves at all costs.


Edited By Bill Phinn on 28/04/2022 12:51:31

Thread: Cheap stuff
26/04/2022 19:50:14

I'd love to have the time and freedom to be a regular, or even a once-in-a-while, car-boot sale truffle hound; sadly, I don't. Having things delivered is really the only option for me.

I know I miss out on potentially fabulous serendipitous discoveries as a consequence, but at least the stuff I need is usually available somewhere on the Internet. Even then, though, buying what I need comes with no guarantee that I will have the time to make use of it anywhere near to the date of purchase.

Thread: Ambiguous words
22/04/2022 02:18:46

For anyone connected with engineering, perhaps the most salient ambiguous word is "boring".

Thread: Recommendations for a suitable Book binding glues
21/04/2022 19:02:46
Posted by Peter Low 4 on 21/04/2022 08:25:06:I have had to work on books that had each section held together with rusted staples.

Me too. See the one pictured, which consisted of two large folio volumes both in an equally horrendous state, even though the rusting wasn't too advanced. The machine that did the stapling was called a Brehmer wire stapler, I believe. I was tempted to buy one when it came up for sale recently on eBay just so that I could destroy it and have my revenge.

stapled spine of mega lexicon.jpg

Duncan, the task you're faced with there is a cloth re-back. Have a look at Angela Sutton's video of the process. The image quality on the video isn't good but Angela is a Society of Bookbinders member and won't teach bad habits.

20/04/2022 21:08:17

That's interesting, Peter. I visited Bayntun's a couple of times about twenty years ago. Do I take it you worked as a forwarder rather than a finisher?

Tim's spirit of staying faithful to the original methods and materials as well as maintaining as much of the original binding as possible is [with a few notable exceptions] more or less the orthodox position today, in bookbinding and many other restoration crafts. This runs alongside the minimal intervention approach that is now prevalent in many institutions that are custodians of old books. This approach often means nothing more than putting a disbound book in an archival box - a safe option, for sure, except that the craft skills that created the bindings in the first place grow increasingly hard to come by because they're no longer in demand.

Sometimes I set out to save as much of the old as possible, but sometimes the old binding is so crumbly that the only sensible intervention is to re-bind in period style.

Below are before and after shots of an early nineteenth century edition of Samuel Johnson's works I did a few years back. The books are in hand-stained calf and tooled in 24 carat gold leaf.

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johnson x 12.jpg



Edited By Bill Phinn on 20/04/2022 21:19:04

20/04/2022 12:39:59

That's a nice example of period decorative case work, and the outer joints and textblock sewing appear sound.

I would carefully slit the mull and tapes at the inner joints, remove the textblock from the case, use starch paste to soak off the original spine linings, reinforce the sewing if necessary, re-line the spine adding a calico hinge on both sides, lift the paste-downs for a couple of inches and insert the textblock back into the case, pasting or gluing down the new calico hinges underneath the lifted paste-downs to strengthen the inner joints. The original paste-downs can then be re-pasted down over the new hinges and the splitting of the endleaves at the inner joints disguised with carefully toned Japanese tissue.

The binding will then be sound, and as much of the original as possible will have been preserved.

20/04/2022 09:52:28

It's difficult to know what adhesive, if any, to recommend without knowing the exact purpose you'd be putting it to. Are the books section-sewn or just perfect-bound? What sort of repairs do you envisage, and on what kinds of books?

On a book of any lasting value, if a PVA-type glue is appropriate I would never recommend Evostick W, but rather a reversible, conservation-grade PVA such as this, or better still Evacon-R.

For certain purposes, traditional animal glues or starch pastes are sometimes preferable.

Thread: Annoying Anonymous Phone Calls
19/04/2022 03:03:59

Maybe my area is just unusual, but none of the hundreds of calls I've received in the last twelve months from medical professionals, including the two GP surgeries I have regular contact with, have been made from withheld numbers. Maybe some of these callers did try to reach me previously from a withheld number but found that I didn't answer [I never would], and so thought better of it.

I can't recall any occasion when a medical person has contacted me on an important matter and revealed that they had previously tried to ring me on a withheld number but I didn't pick up.

I find that if the GP surgery phones me and their reason for doing so is even remotely important and I don't pick up, they leave an answerphone message, or send an email, or, in the most important cases, write a letter. The idea that they would call me on an urgent matter from a withheld number and not follow things up if I didn't answer strikes me as implausible.

Thread: Sigh, practicing a skill I would rather not need
17/04/2022 19:11:18

There are many reasons for tap breakage [here are just a few of them], but the most over-arching reason in hand-tapping is insensitivity on the part of the operator to what the tap is actually "going through" at all times during its use.

You have to develop a feel for the tap in the material and know whether the tap is liking or disliking what you are doing with it. Invaluable practice can be obtained without great expense by tapping many consecutive deep blind holes with small taps on a range of scrap pieces of material.

Thread: Hero Arm
15/04/2022 22:00:27
Posted by Michael Gilligan on 15/04/2022 21:49:59:

As I understand it, Bill … it’s part of what I meant by ‘culturally’

… as in saying ‘differently abled’ not ‘disabled’

Another quote is :

Welcome to the future, where disabilities are superpowers.

Both are part of their marketing pitch.


Being a person who has a brachial plexus root avulsion and permanent paralysis of major muscles groups in my right arm, I find that sort of language quite irritating, Michael.

It reminds me of the big sign over the Remploy HQ in Birmingham I visited a few years ago: "Remploy - Putting Ability First", it said.

If they were putting ability first then disabled people would not get a look in at Remploy.

If people mean what they say they should say what they mean.

Thread: Eliminating chatter
15/04/2022 21:31:23

The adequacy of the bench is certainly questionable, but the nipping press base will probably be nice and flat, as well as almost as heavy as the lathe.

Thread: Hero Arm
15/04/2022 21:26:44

It's difficult to know what the hero-arm site means by "below-elbow limb difference."

Does anyone know for sure?

Thread: Left hand whit studding
15/04/2022 00:33:52

I'm not sure how long the studding needs to be, but pictured is a six-inch long two-way* 1/4" BSW screw I cut on precision ground 1/4" stock using a woodturning lathe and a tailstock die holder. It is a replacement for an original screw that had been bent through careless usage and rendered the whole tool unuseable. The job was easy to do and the tool now works very well indeed.

*i.e. right-hand thread one side and left-hand thread the other.



Edited By Bill Phinn on 15/04/2022 00:38:25

Thread: Boiler gas burner
13/04/2022 16:45:32

The two Sievert Cyclone burners (I own the larger 3525 model) are much quieter than standard burners for the amount of heat they kick out.

Thread: Cardboard Packaging ? A Cautionary Tale
11/04/2022 01:21:03

That's a shame, Phil, though, from the look of it, it probably won't affect its accuracy.

I keep almost all precision steel tools in sealed plastic bags now and never in direct contact anywhere with paper or cardboard. Even oiled or waxed paper is not a good long-term wrapping material. Leave some of this paper out on a bench in high humidity and you will see why: it goes disturbingly limp with all the moisture it has absorbed.

To discourage storage corrosion as much as possible, things like 1-2-3 blocks, square and hex collet blocks et al. with precision reference surfaces should really get oiled before they are put away in plastic if the intention is not to use them again within the next week or so.

I'm sure if you live in Arizona or somewhere similar you can safely skip these precautions.

Edited By Bill Phinn on 11/04/2022 01:23:01

Thread: Is it really a joke
08/04/2022 18:22:56
Posted by Bazyle on 08/04/2022 14:38:31:

This does show the problem that whenever anyone makes a sensible suggestion there will be a bunch of people wanting to pick holes in it with exceptional cases as thought they were the norm.

I'm sorry to see you misconstrued my point, which was that not just the exceptional cases but many other cases besides may well be ill served by a system that is unlikely in practice to be capable of making even gross distinctions between different households' circumstances.

Because of this I do not share your apparent conviction that no-one will find themselves unfairly targeted by the kind of policy you propose, and therefore I cannot endorse your suggestion as a sensible one.

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