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Thread: water gauges
16/04/2019 14:59:55

This is a generic picture of a column water gauge from the internet. LBSC described one in his 'Live Steam Book'

water gauge.jpg

I suspect the passageways are harder to keep clear/more likely to block up.

Thread: Dialect expressions
14/04/2019 10:54:58
Posted by john carruthers on 14/04/2019 08:53:21:

In the (former) Kent coal field there's a mix of Welsh, Yorkshire, Gerodie and Kent spoken.
In a study by the local uni Aylesham was found to have a distinct dialect of its own.
Alleys are 'jitties'. Lunch taken to work can be 'snap' , 'bait' or 'scran'.

In he mining parts of Nottinghamshire a packed lunch was always 'snap' - perhaps a term miners took around the country with them? And Wakefield's Army Stores had 'snap tins' in their window that used to puzzle me as a child as they didn't seem to snap in any way.

And to add to jitties, alleys and ginnels, when I was growing up they were always 'entries'

Edited By Nick Clarke 3 on 14/04/2019 10:56:28

14/04/2019 10:50:49

Having grandparents from Ireland, Scotland, Burton and Hampshire (note all those produce alcohol including English wine!) but growing up in Nottingham and Lincolnshire tea was always 'stewed' to make it while everywhere else it seems to have been 'brewed' and when 'stewed' it was past its best.

Thread: Moving from Warco WM180 to a Myford ML7B ?
11/04/2019 18:11:20
Posted by Baz on 11/04/2019 16:45:36:

Totally agree with Mick B1, also a lot depends on the persons abilities turning the handles.


As it was put to me about fifty years ago - the mechanical fault with most lathes is the nut behind the topslide! smiley

Thread: Myford colours
11/04/2019 07:54:59
Posted by Mike Poole on 10/04/2019 17:17:08:

I think one of the reasons car paint suppliers usually offer a mix to sample service is that a car with any age is going to change from its factory colour and a partial respray is going to be obviously different.


Quite probably, but when I mixed and sold car paint in the 1970s paint technology was not sufficiently stable to maintain the same colour from batch to batch. Not a problem for the car maker as provided a car was only one colour all over they did not care, but an issue for the refinisher.

In the UK there were 20 shades recognised for Ford Arizona gold and nearly as many for Ford Tawney. In addition application conditions were an issue - a colour sprayed dry will be different to one laid on wet - not just metallics but this could also be a problem with virtually any dark colour. Some expensive metallic paints were designed to be painted with lacquer applied onto a wet colour coat so the metal flakes spread slightly into the lacquer giving a deeper metallic effect - again spraying conditions could make matching difficult. Also colours changed over the years if they were kept in production.

Whites were difficult to match as there was only tiny amounts of tinter in a basically white paint - but funnily enough one of the most reliable colours was a white - Triumph white - it always came out OK and it was in production for years. Go figure!

Thread: Page errors in 4610
10/04/2019 18:46:55

Are you certain you are not missing some earlier pages as well as in my copy 587/588 is on the same sheet as 569/570? - you seem to have some half pages there!

As Jason suggests, get a replacement.

Edited By Nick Clarke 3 on 10/04/2019 18:47:32

Thread: Rulers - my pet peeve
07/04/2019 10:06:57
Posted by Mike Poole on 07/04/2019 09:22:44:

Long rules can always be made shorter John, for a couple of quid a rule of acceptable quality can soon be converted to any length you like (as long as it’s shorter)


And they can be stretched to make them longer even if the middle does neck down a bit! smiley

Thread: Using a propane cylinder for partable compressed air.
04/04/2019 17:17:49

As a student 40+ years ago I paid my way with a number of jobs including labouring at backstreet garages/car workshops.

One used an empty propane bottle for just this purpose and both partners are still with us, still working and each with the right number of arms and legs.

As to legality - well it was at the iffy end of the motor trade so make your own mind up.

Thread: Have your fathers habits rubbed off on you. Just for fun
29/03/2019 17:12:41

What is really weird is that my signature which was totally unlike my dad's has over the years grown imperceptibly to be like his - his initials were a.j with the a a lowercase one while my initials, n.j with a capital N has metemorphed into a lower case n and the bottom of the n is closing up. Our surname which I always used to write differently has become more like his as well.

Weird or what??

Thread: Smoke detectors
24/03/2019 09:38:03
Posted by AdrianR on 24/03/2019 09:29:52:

Any one got any thoughts or had experience of detectors?

My only experience is that I can't cook steak in my kitchen without the smoke alarm in the hall going off.

My thoughts - a smoke alarm connected to an alarm is probably only active when the alarm is set, so there should be no new smoke or temp rise when in use so the cutting oil or brazing ought not be an issue.

Edited By Nick Clarke 3 on 24/03/2019 09:38:24

Thread: Temperature probe
24/03/2019 09:22:45

I bought one of these a couple of months ago - OWON B35T+ Datalogger true RMS Multimeter Temperature Tester Bluetooth 4.0 BT - eBay 223443667199 - 44GBP at present

As well as being a multimeter it comes with a temperature probe (thermocouple) but I also bought a K type thermocouple probe to use with liquids eBay 272654971464 - 3GBP

It will log a series of readings and store them internally or send them via Bluetooth to a computer, tablet or similar.

With many devices it will read out the reading as you take it - very useful if you are poking around in something - you don't need to look away. Works on my android phone and also on iPhone, if not others.

A satisfied customer!

Edited By Nick Clarke 3 on 24/03/2019 09:23:38

Thread: 1/2" x22tpi tap?
18/03/2019 18:19:37
Posted by ega on 18/03/2019 16:35:55:

One suggestion I have seen is that a "bastard" thread helps manufacturers to lock users in to their spares operation.

I have read on the web that the GPO used odd sized BA screws (3ba, 5ba, 7ba etc) on exchange equipment, supposedly to avoid pilferage.

Just ran it past an ex Garratts Green, Birmingham GPO Phones guy and he said that this was true!

Thread: ER25 or MT2 Collets
18/03/2019 18:15:12
Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 18/03/2019 17:56:22:

Always had a sneaking feeling that chaps who know what they're doing don't buy sets though! Ignorance is bliss.


Thank you everyone for all your advice - I will chew over it all.

- and Dave - on your basis, as far as milling machine tooling is concerned I am totally blissful !

Thanks all

Thread: 1/2" x22tpi tap?
18/03/2019 14:01:35

Interestingly a Google search brings up references to 1/2" 22tpi used on Model Ts and other old US cars - but even there it is seen as non standard.

Edited By Nick Clarke 3 on 18/03/2019 14:02:08

Thread: ER25 or MT2 Collets
18/03/2019 09:11:32

Looking to buy my first small mill to save using the club workshop machine for larger jobs.

Tooling is an additional cost but I am interested in opinions over er25 collet chuck and collets versus mt2 collets direct in the spindle.

At first glance mt2 collets are cheaper, less likely to be out of centre (unlike an er25 if tightened by a mishandled c spanner), allow more height for a workpiece and are possibly more rigid as they project less.

Yet a couple of opinions I respect suggest the er25 collets are the way to go.

Any thoughts?

Thread: Windows Update (Again)
17/03/2019 12:41:53
Posted by Vic on 17/03/2019 11:18:03:

“Mac OS X brought an entirely new architecture based on NeXTSTEP, a Unix system”


To say an Apple computer is “non standard” is really quite silly. There is no such thing as a “Standard” computer. All manufacturers including Apple buy components on the open market.

Your “market share” is also way off.


Thank you for your links, but neither they or my original assertions affect my argument that Windows is a reliable system and the most popular ba considerable amount - which is why I am unhappy with you describing it as silly - components have no part in what makes something a computer. .

Taking your two points NextStep was based upon BSD which is a POSIX compliant UNIX type operating system. Linux was an original work but still a POSIX compliant UNIX type operating system. Possibly a more accurate statement might have been to say that Linux and MacOS share a common heritage, however my argument regarding Windows remains the same. I did not mention Linux as a third option because the user base is so small, even though I use it and am very happy with it I think it is only just beginning to be a mainstream alternative.

Regarding your link about market share - new purchases of Apple kit are indeed running at between 10% and 12% as they have for some years, however this is not the user base - the only statistic for this I have found easily available is that for web access - ie the number of web access per operating system - not an unreasonable one as use of the web is fairly universal these days - and this lower down the page you have linked to is at present 5.95% for MacOS and has not changed for some years as far as I can recall.

As Chris has suggested Apple v Windows can run and run - but I think my points based upon experience with Windows updates remain valid.

Edited By Nick Clarke 3 on 17/03/2019 12:45:04

17/03/2019 10:47:17
Posted by Mark Rand on 16/03/2019 23:33:32:

There are two reasons that there are so many complaints about Windows:-

  1. There are so many Windows installations compared with other desktop operating systems.
  2. There is a vast amount of supported software and hardware that non-expert users expect to operate without any specific operating system knowledge.

Having spent 20 years as a system administrator and still having a Windows domain, 5 Windows clients, 7 Linux client/servers and 5 Android clients in the household, I see no problems with Windows that I wouldn't expect with any other OS.

Totally agree!

17/03/2019 10:28:17
Posted by Mike Poole on 17/03/2019 00:48:42:

It’s now 33 years since Windows 1 appeared and it is still a battle to make things work smoothly, just when you get things working just right an update arrives to send everything to hell in a handcart. Any large company will have a department to just deal with update rollouts and hacking their customised version of windows to try and limit the damage the users can inflict. Apple have gone down the route of severely limiting what anyone without proper training can do with their system and they are probably fairly close to a device that just works without many problems. If operating system designers made cars we would be walking a lot more.


Sorry Mike but this is totally outside my experience as an IT Manager and lecturer/teacher responsible at one stage of my career for nearly 3000 users.

The latest updates have arrived and been applied to all the computers at work automatically and also to the 7 Windows machines I have here at home (a mixture of XP, 7, 10 and server 2012). No problems. The machines are a mixture of commercial systems and home builds.

Our systems where I now teach are not custom but locked down so that users cannot access most of the settings - updates arrive when they want to. This can be a pain if it is when you wish to use a computer, but we put up with it as, with the very rare exception of a dodgy update, it is far more normal for things to stop working without updating than with. We are not running simple systems either as all machines have central software licencing, screen magnification and screen readers available. Many also run our MIS system as well and all are networked with content filtering and input filtering. The lockdown is to make them work in a standard way, and as they are standard a machine can have a total software reinstall 'hands off' if needed. In my present role we have about 100 machines and 3 hours of tech time per week, much of it related to MIS and other systems not PCs.

While Apple equipment is beautifully engineered it is very expensive and non standard - they have never gained more than 6% of the PC market as far as I know. Also if you wish to do things the Apple way, great, but customising a system for your own use is normally very difficult if possible at all. At work Music is taught using iMacs and I have two older Macs here. They both continue to operate as new, but using a 2004 vintage Mac which does not allow newer versions of the operating system and hence newer software is limiting to say the least. The ones at work will need upgrading soon as the latest version of the software has significant benefits but needs more up to date hardware and the current machines won't let you install. A windows system would usually allow updating until the hardware made using it painful. I have a 2005 laptop on the table next to me that, because it has been possible to have its memory upgraded, runs windows 7 fine - an operating system released 4 years after the computer was made. And yes it updates a treat.

You said that 'If operating system designers made cars we would be walking a lot more' Well I don't think either Windows or Linux (including the MacOs derived from it) are perfect, but there are also problems with cars down to design faults or user errors such as crashes, misuse or putting the wrong fuel in. My (recent) car lets me down from time to time. Would you refuse to service a car at the same time as you block updates?

Are cars more reliable per hour's use than computers?

You pays your money ……..

16/03/2019 20:50:06
Posted by Bizibilder on 16/03/2019 14:21:06:

Sounds like it has reverted to a US keyboard - change back to UK in settings and you should find the keys to be correct again.

In a previous life I had to set up software so it had a German keyboard layout but as the user was a touch typist the UK keyboard was being kept as they were not looking at it anyway.

The major difference was that Y and Z were interchanged.

I spent a couple of hours trying to configure this software without success until it finally dawned that when it asked 'Do you want to keep this keyboard layout' I needed to press the German Y key that was the one with Z printed on it, and not the one with Y printed on it  ……...

Edited By Nick Clarke 3 on 16/03/2019 20:51:35

Thread: Errors and Omissions
15/03/2019 14:36:02

Can I suggest some possible reasons for a supplier NOT correcting errors?

Drawings, including all errors, are copyright for 70 years after the author's death - so Martin Evans, LBSC, Don Young, Keith Wilson are all still in copyright. Even Henry Greenly's drawings have only gone out of copyright a couple of years ago, and if they were redraw by his daughter they are probably still copyright.

An error on a model may be down to the builder, so if only a few people complain a supplier may not be certain whether the error is real.

The supplier may not have the expertise to correct the drawing - eg a classic - LBSC's 'Maid of Kent' valve gear. K.N. Harris and Don Young both published modifications - which to choose??

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