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Thread: Illegal CD copy
13/06/2019 17:48:58
Posted by Bandersnatch on 13/06/2019 17:23:41:
Posted by Frances IoM on 13/06/2019 16:18:36:
some computer mags issue a compendium DVD as a freebie in place of their usual monthly DVD.

At least one computer magazine (MagPi) gives away (free) their monthly magazine in pdf form as well as selling the hard copy.

This is sponsored though and not a commercial operation. I don't believe the print version has been available for long.

13/06/2019 17:47:27

I am not certain I am totally in sympathy with some of the posts in this thread as the general tone is that someone who creates something - be it a writer creating an article or a publisher creating a magazine is 'in the wrong' for selling that thing at a fair price.

The message I am getting is 'I wish to buy years of magazines on a dvd for very little money'

Buying ME in print costs me about £61 a year on subscription and I am happy to pay that. I have no doubt the publishers are happy to get their share of that too. If a CD was put out at the end of each year it would need to bring in I guess £20 to the publisher to be the equivalent. If each DVD was copied a couple of times for free the price would need to be £60 for the publisher to make the same amount of money as selling the DVDs. If copied more times it would need to be proportionally more expensive. (And that is assuming all copyright clearances could be obtained - and we have been told that they can't for older editions) So unless there is a cast iron way of preventing copying - and there isn't, it does not make economic sense to put out a DVD.

If you think that is far fetched a single digital copy of the Elektor magazine mentioned above is €7.50 every other month - three times the price of a single print copy of ME.

Like MichaelG suggested buy the magazines and scan for your own use only. You are legal and you have the scanned editions for the price of a blank disk - but don't ask for something which cannot easily be provided and which couldn't be provided at a cost that was fair to the publisher and reasonable to you.

Thread: Class 22 Diesel (next project)
13/06/2019 12:17:57

Ron I know you have described your traction engine, but the idea just crossed my mind - why not make it a showman's and have the motor as the dynamo - doing things in reverse so to speak. OK I know it is not prototype practise to move running the dynamo, but the engine look could be made good?

Just a thought - I'll go back to sleep now smiley

Edited By Nick Clarke 3 on 13/06/2019 12:18:08

Thread: Illegal CD copy
11/06/2019 17:23:08

I deal with copyright in education on a frequent basis as part of the day job and the simple answer given by Neil, ie copyright in this country lasts 70 years after death of author and 25 years for a layout is the one all responsible businesses, publishers, editors and magazines can adhere to and be safe and able to operate.

I am not a copyright lawyer, but I suggest all of the other suggestions put forward are almost 'get out' clauses or exceptions to the basic rules listed above. In order to rely on any of these I would suggest consulting a lawyer specialising in copyright as the only safe route to a certain answer, and even then case law may need to be established.

A couple of pointers however - while the overarching legislation is indeed the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, section 29 this now incorporates the Copyright and Rights in Performances (Research, Education, Libraries and Archives) Regulations 2014

These say, as has been suggested already, that you can copy just about anything but the copier must 'have lawful access to' it ie that they own it and they are not borrowed or acquired illegally. This copy should be acknowledged if practical to do so. It also states that 'transferring' the copy to anyone else infringes copyright so the suggestions that you can copy a mate's stack of magazines is just plain false, and that if you sell or give the copy away you are breaking the law.

There are other rules for education and teaching that allow partial copying, but an individual is unlikely to come under this heading.

As I started out though, IMHO stick to the simple way and you are unlikely to go wrong - look for an exception and you may be in trouble.

Edited By Nick Clarke 3 on 11/06/2019 17:26:21

Thread: Why a round bed?
10/06/2019 14:31:49
Posted by Lee Rogers on 10/06/2019 14:08:40:

I have to put in a good word for the roundbed. A handy machine if used within reason and still very popular. You do need to bin the insert tools and learn to grind HSS . Also think rigid with all your set ups. I've seen so many forum posts about poor finish on old lathes and the problem is nearly always a carbide tool in a QCTP with more overhang than a pagoda. A good roundbed that's well equipped will still fetch a good price because it's capable, compact and light.

I agree except for the last part - for a small lathe, mine is ********** heavy!!

Thread: Illegal CD copy
10/06/2019 14:28:51

I doubt they are any more legit but 200 or so issues of ME are available to download from the Wayback machine -


Edited By Nick Clarke 3 on 10/06/2019 14:29:27

Thread: C1 lathe opinions
10/06/2019 12:56:12
Posted by Mick B1 on 10/06/2019 10:53:53:
Posted by Nick Clarke 3 on 10/06/2019 10:20:29:

Taper turning is quite possible by setting over the tailstock.

OK, but it's very limited in taper angle, not strictly correct in the engagement of the centres, not suitable for chuck work, and can be fiendishly fiddly to set straight again afterwards!

I agree but compromises need to be made when a small machine is used and what might be chuck work on a larger machine, for example, might need to be between offset centres on this one.

As regards resetting the tailstock in particular it is no more difficult to do than resetting the tailstock on any other machine, and I would not be really happy with the accuracy of resetting a topslide against the scale alone on any lathe, so the difference is less than might be imagined.

10/06/2019 10:20:29

I have just upgraded from a C1 to a Sieg SC3 from Arc Eurotrade. Admittedly it is the longer bed versions but you are quite right it is a definite 2 man lift compared to the smaller lathe which i can manage on my own.

The mere fact that I feel the need to upgrade may give well out a message - there is a significant difference in capacity between the two machines, however that does not mean that the smaller lathe is useless.

Within its capacity it is a strong and apparently accurate machine. It has a smaller brushed motor and is definitley low powered, but taking small cuts it can work with steel as well as brass and aluminium.

There is no topslide as standard and while still listed they are expensive (£130+) and hard to find. In its favour however is that the lack of a topslide means that the crossslide has 2 t slots and can be used for boring and facing. Taper turning is quite possible by setting over the tailstock.

The lathe is quite expensive in comparison to the larger 'mini' lathes and some of the accessories that come with them (eg changewheels) are extra on the C1.

In the near future my machine may well appear on an auction site, but the fact that there are few advertised on eBay, and all of those have sold might indicate they are useful to the right person.

Thread: Tyrosemiophilia
09/06/2019 20:37:34

Anyone who can collect money from someone who has a lot of blunderbusses is good at their job and certainly brave 😀

Edited By Nick Clarke 3 on 09/06/2019 20:38:14

Thread: Reference books
09/06/2019 10:21:29

Model Engineers Handbook by Tubal Cain (Tom Walshaw)

Thread: Tyrosemiophilia
07/06/2019 17:18:59

Film cameras, old computers, Shelley Dripware (look it up cheeky) and coffee cans (ie cups) and saucers.

Thread: Jeanie Deans
06/06/2019 21:23:19
Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 05/06/2019 10:56:02:

A personal opinion about LBSC; as he grew older he became grumpy and slapdash, and he developed an intense dislike of being challenged. I find his writings range from excellent to dubious.

I quite agree, however I try to read him with open eyes - but he is always very readable even when being a rude and self opinionated ****

I find Don Young easy to read but I sometimes feel there are issues in what he recommends - after Martin Evans in the mid sixties almost sneered at designers not using boiler bushes he still allowed Don to describe County Carlow's boiler with fittings tapped directly into the backhead in 1969 and let him publish the text to justify this. And his later designs are just too complicated - look at the frames on Jersey Lily for example. However his Doncaster works articles are still a joy to read.

Early and late Martin Evans is an interesting read but while editor he became boring (in my personal opinion) and was not fun to read.

Keith Wilson was always an interesting read although his designs were and still are way beyond me!!

Personally, in my opinion, the best to read was Ken Swann - read his description of Bridget from 1970 or so and see if you agree - and while his obituary in ME a few months ago says he was scathing of designers who allowed errors to creep into his drawings, speaking to people who have built his designs say that this was not a fault to be found in his locos.

Hopefully factual and not libellous! What do you think??

06/06/2019 21:01:42
Posted by John Rutzen on 06/06/2019 18:32:10:

hI Nick, I've got that book and read the chapter on compounds. Thanks for pointing it out. It's a sad reflection on British engine drivers that they weren't considered intelligent enough to drive a compound whereas the continental ones were. LBSC doesn't say this but the fact that the simpling valve was automatic rather that controlled by the driver implies it.

To be fair, in a recent article in ME on French Compounds it was stated that on some of them the driver could notch up the high and Low pressure cylinders independently and I can think of several friends now who would be totally spaced out by that! devil

06/06/2019 12:27:32

For details of some of the hardware LBSC designed for a 3 1/2” compound there are details of a NE compounds ‘twiddly bits’ in his Live Steam Book aka ‘Shops Shed and Road’


06/06/2019 12:21:11

For details of some of the hardware LBSC designed for a 3 1/2” compound there are details of a NE compounds ‘twiddly bits’ in his Live Steam Book aka ‘Shops Shed and Road’


Thread: Quicksilver
05/06/2019 07:51:31
Posted by Kiwi Bloke 1 on 04/06/2019 23:21:27:

John, that rings distant bells. I noticed bags of flowers of sulphur for sale in the animal care part of my local farm supply store. It seemed too good to ignore - a chance to procure something that seemed a bit 'naughty'. Apart from the obvious use (an ingredient necessary for historical attempts to blow up parliament buildings), I couldn't think of a sensible use for it, and what's it used for in/on animals? Anyway, thanks to your information, I can now deal with mercury spillages - a constant worry...

My Nan used to buy weaner pigs and raise them for the Kitchen. She used to rub the back of the pigs with flowers of sulphur if they got skin issues.

04/06/2019 17:42:53

In one school I worked at during the last 30 years or so (genuinely can't remember which) they still had mercury barometer troughs in the physics lab.

Imagine a porcelain dish about 4" long and 3/4" wide and the same tall except one end of the trough widened out to be circular - about 1" diameter - sort of a keyhole shape in plan view or a midget version of one of those baths you can have a shower in.

When I enquired what this strange dish was used for it was explained that you filled it half full with mercury, filled up a glass tube with one end sealed right to the top with mercury, put your finger over the end of the tube, inverted it an placed the tube under the surface in the dish in the circular end before removing your finger, leaving a basic barometer. The trough was shaped to accommodate your finger that could then be removed and the tube supported in a clamp stand.

I never had the courage to demonstrate it - but no doubt I would have been allowed to do so!

The best thing was that there were a class set of these things - Imagine how much mercury would have been needed, how much it would cost and even with a well organised class how much would end up on the floor.

Thread: Why a round bed?
03/06/2019 14:29:05
Posted by Bazyle on 03/06/2019 13:37:48:

At the same time as Drummond were selling the roundbed they were also selling 'conventional' flat bed lathes. Perhaps someone can find an old ME with both types advertised to compare the prices.

The manual on this site describes the 3 1/2" lathe as "being again modified in 1921" and the price is £21-10-00 for a bench lathe. A 1923 ME lists a roundbed as a bench lathe at £9-10-00 

I think it would be safe to assume these are from the same date.


Edited By Nick Clarke 3 on 03/06/2019 14:29:59

Thread: Making a tiny reamer
02/06/2019 18:57:31
Posted by John Reese on 02/06/2019 18:31:45:

Thanks John - With the larger reamers I have made I have just held them in fibre jaws in the vice and filed a single flat and I was wondering how to hold such a thin piece for filing without bending it.

I will probably make a similar holder, but I'm waiting for the silver steel to arrive as I said, so not done it yet (apologies to the member NDIY)

Thanks again,


Edited By Nick Clarke 3 on 02/06/2019 19:01:08

Thread: Why a round bed?
02/06/2019 18:43:40

Clive - I must firstly declare an interest and say that I have roundbed under the bench as a long term project, but I can't accept that it as bad as you have written.

When put back together it will do as much as it ever could (I hope) and yes all of those weaknesses you describe are there, and always were there. What you can't do is wind in so many divisions on a dial and expect a workpiece to be to size. You have to measure and check. However despite all of the issues the older lathe can be set up accurately while the advice for some cheaper lathes today is, to quote a poster in a different thread, to treat them as a set of parts and set them up after purchase. If you haven't the adjustment left to do that then it needs to go back to the supplier.

Modern machinery is easier to use and has more features but unlike an older lathe may not be in a position to be put back into service 100 years after manufacture - as accurate and capable as it ever was - but no more.

Interestingly in my opinion as an addition to the imported machinery; the reason why so much excellent professional equipment is available to the amateur today is down to manual machines not being so prominently used in industry as before, and the lack of engineering taught in schools and colleges. This has brought to the market a large number of lathes and other machines. In 20 years time I suspect the machines coming from these sources will be far fewer in number and probably CAM based using incompatible out of date software or damaged electronics. Possibly even unusable.


Edited By Nick Clarke 3 on 02/06/2019 18:47:01

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