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Thread: Cheap carbide inserts - where's the market?
30/11/2018 19:05:35

The largest cause of insert early failure and chipping is turning to the centre. So where ever possible, just use a centre drill to remove the very centre, unless the part does need the flat face.

29/11/2018 06:05:42

I have come to the conclusion that cheap inserts maybe the reason so many think that HSS is still very good. With good inserts, you do not need super fast feeds and speeds like what used to be required 40 years ago with carbide tooling. The newest inserts cut pure copper and leave like a mirror finish , and then you can cut a piece of HSS and turn down the shank to fit something else. With the same insert. With the hard HSS, it will be cutting at 15m/min surface speed, so a 10mm pin turn down to 3/8 will be done at 400 to 500 rpm at afeed rate of 0.05mm /rev or 2thou.

They also last a very long time. The market for cheap inserts is accountant based companies wanting always the cheapest things.


Thread: Blackening steel parts
29/11/2018 05:57:59

I use the hot bath method. It runs at 135 to 140 C. So some care is needed. It works very well and I have never had any issues with it all. The downside is the time required to heat the bath, and the cleanliness of the parts. Some steels with high chrome content do not blacken very well with this process.

It is cheap to set up though and the basic formula is very simple. My current bath starts with 10 deionised water chlorine free. Chlorine free is important. 10 L of caustic soda pearl, or alternately 10 L of concentrated caustic soda solution, Mix water and pearl very slowly adding the pearl. Ready made solution does not need any extra pearl add. Then after it is close to room temp add 10 l of sodium Nitrite powder/crystals. Mix etc, use care as this is very caustic. Slowly heat to 135C or untill it just simmers. Stir often. The parts will take about 5mins for small sections (less than 25mm thick) to 15mins for 50mm sections) . Remove from the bath, let hang and drip off, then wash in hot water and I use vinegar water to neautralise the basic solution. Dry and oil. All done. This is really a more commercial set up, but does work very well. There are slight adjustments to the basic formula, like adding sodium Nitrate, and some add other stuff as well. If you have a set up in such a manner that you may drop and splash parts into the hot bath, then your set up is wrong. It needs to be arranged so that you can not make any splash of any kind , no matter the reason. You do not get a second chance with hot caustic things. But I am happy with with I have, have been since 09 when I started doing this commercially. Do not allow any non steel parts to contact the bath either.


Thread: Carbide threading inserts.
22/11/2018 18:23:46

From Koroloy out of Korea. Really good stuff also. These are not cheap, but do work very well. With care the inserts last a very long time. Have not found the full form inserts, but they do have partial form inserts in 60 deg and 55 deg, and there are the internal grooving inserts that can be made into the geometry you desire. The sizing is the minimum bore diameter . You can fit an 11 mm insert onto the 8mm holder. Just requires a shaped washer and a longer screw to do so. I have the 8mm carbide holder and the 14mm carbide holder, but have inserts from all 4 ranges. The holders are not cheap for the carbide, but is more rigid than the steel in the smaller 8mm one, which is about 5.8mm shank for the insert side. The 8mm is on a 12mm shank, the 14mm is on a 16mm shank. Both will fit on a Myford S7 Dixson holder. I did recut a holder to accept the 16mm shank, by cutting the upper portion of the block making the opening 16.1 mm from the 13mm that it was.

Thread: It's a thread Jim, but...
20/11/2018 18:57:09

Not many people can screw cut a thread of 2mm pitch at more than 100 rpm or so . I don't think it matters if the threading tool is HSS, or a ground carbide insert. Some materials definitely tear and don't cut as well as others. I have a Myford S7 and my choice is a ground threading insert. It is sharp like hss but lasts longer. At the end of the threaded area, I make a thread relief, so am not trying to withdraw the tool at the end of the cut. on a M16, I make the relief diameter 13.75 to 13.8mm and normally I make the relief length about 5mm long. This gives about 1 second to stop at 150 rpm. Keeping the tool holder over hang to a minimum makes a huge difference , especially with a 0 Dickson holder on a deep thread like a 2mm pitch. If the material is difficult to cut, I will put on a cut with the compound, but take some of it off,by 0.05mm with the cross slide. Then retake the cut again, with the cross slide at the zero point. This makes then leading face cut not all in 1 pass. It reduces the total cutting volume and reduces the front length being cut by the tool. It is also called the zigzag screw cutting method. This is good when threads get deeper than 0.8mm deep , so like for M12 and courser pitch threads. It works for internal threads as well.


20/11/2018 05:22:32

Roughing out the thread like you are doing. Then finish it with a die. If you want a really good finish just screw cutting on a myford, use the travelling steady and do the in feed etc on the compound slide.

Sulphurised cutting oils help as well, like rocol. Carbide threading inserts are just fine on the manual lathe also.


Thread: Cutting a keyway without a broach
08/11/2018 20:53:34

If the tool is sharp, you can push through 0.001 inch depth of cut to about 0.002 inch depth of cut, from 0.002 inch diameter to a max of 0.004 inch diameter. Metric 0.05mm to 0.1mm max on diameter. The blade or cutting wants to be around 5 deg or so . If you make it too much like a chisel, it will pull the cross slide in and try to keep making a deeper cut. Having the tool face , the one in line with the bore, if that is set so it is about 1 deg clearance, this will also help to stop the tool digging in. Any material taken out before hand, dramatically reduces the cutting loads. Even if you hand file a rough slot , and then use the tool in the lathe for finishing the key slot works well. HSS works really well for lathe key slot cutters.


Thread: Lathe or Mill?
05/10/2018 01:23:16

As you mentioned only a manual machine, it will be a lathe with milling attachments and full digital readout, on all axis with the tailstock quill included with an indexing head as well. The lathe spindle becomes the mill spindle, cross slide becomes the X axis, vertical slide becomes the Y axis, and the saddle movement becomes the Z axis.

If you were going cnc, then the answer will be a milling machining centre with a 4th axis. That will do most of what a lathe can do within reason, as well as all the milling functions in 1 machine.


Thread: Rocol RTD shelf life
04/10/2018 05:18:51

Even salt has a use by date now days.

Some oils do go off, get rancid over time. Not noticed it with any cutting oils since 1984, which is my oldest cutting oil, and rocol paste are both fine, but not much left now.

Thread: Identity of Glow Engine.
24/09/2018 20:21:31

It looks to me, that it is someones home made engine case, and has used commercial piston liner assembly and carb. They may have made the crank and prop driver as well. But there were several makers who used the flat on the crank for the prop driver, instead of the tapered collet.

Neil L

Thread: Carbide Inserts and Holder Recommendation
20/09/2018 13:07:14

There are some modern face mills that take a negative position insert, with a positive cutting geometry. The ones with the un even spacing are just awesome. These newer ones, have the 4 sided inserts, so will make a 45 deg approach, and the inserts have 8 cutting edges. They are quiet as well. Then there is the ones that side cut. The newer versions of these are both un even spaced, with a helical outside geometry , allowing for side cutting or going down a wall. These normally only have 2 cutting edges per insert. Kennametal make a great series and so does Mitsubishi, and Iscar. All 3 brands are available in the USA. Sadly the inserts are sold in boxes of 10, that will last a long time. The milling inserts are very well suited for interupted cutting. You can make a holder to take either of the inserts from the insert milling cutters. A common theme, is to make a holder that uses the un used edges from the vertical insert cutter that uses on 2 edges. Turned 90 deg, it can be used as a fly cutter on the edge that is no longer used. They used to make a face mill that used these inserts that way. Not sure if they still do or not.

Thread: Myford super 7 chuck problems
20/09/2018 12:56:23

Hi Reg,

The face of the spindle (where the chuck and face plate seat against) should be zero with a dial indicator. If this is indeed zero, then the next area to look at is the concentricity of the thread itself on the nose spindle. Setting the lathe to screw cut the thread, 12TPI Whitworth I think, but check. Then place a DTI onto one of the flanks, and as you turn and the carriage feeds at the same time, check the concentricity of the thread form. If it is not concentric, it will cause all sorts of inconsistent mounting problems. The thread can be quite loose and still be effective. You can recut the form with a 55 deg included threading tool to correct this error.

To reset all the clearances etc on the lathe and re scraping or getting the surfaces reground, can take quite a bit of work and time, and attention to the detail is a must.


Thread: Removing and re-chucking a part whilst thread cutting on Myford Super 7
17/09/2018 07:22:18

Another way is to use a collet chuck, that has a radial index, and is placed in the same z position.The collet with the work piece can be removed, tried on the part, returned and carry on with the thread cut.On a 25mm shank holder, if you get it to a radial position with in 0.1mm, the pitch position error is negligible.

Neil L.

Thread: WT2527 15cc Glow Engine
10/09/2018 08:14:43

Great that you can take pictures as you go, I always forget, or don't have my phone handy etc. Don't have my phone in the shed when making parts, that way I don't get distracted. Looks really nice and coming along well. Looking forward to the video of it running. That will be real music to me.


Thread: New old 1950's Myford 7 Lathe still in the crate
10/09/2018 08:11:37

I think one reason for no bidding, is the lack of clarity of what you are getting for your money. It looks like a car engine that all there , but not assembled. People are just suspicious when it is not shown , and not all itemised.

I would not bid on it, without knowing more about what you are actually getting for your money, and what is the actual condition of the slides etc.


Thread: The size and shape of drill holes
04/09/2018 12:56:43

Gun drills are an illusion to me. The trick is to get the balance of the cutting force, from the centre to the outer, so that it want s to stay on centre. So they have support lands etc to guide the drill. The sharpening of a gundrill to drill straight is quite specific for that drill, and material etc. Now days, there is a new very high speed drill, that out dates gun drilling, with a catch. It needs a very accurate spindle, and very high through coolant pressure to work.

Gun drills can be hand re sharpened , but twist drills, some can sharpen them really well, and others not.

The best firm but removable pins, are tapered pins. The reamer can be a simple D bit reamer to a taper that you can easily reproduce. You can also take a tapered pin, and make it into a D bit, assuming that you hardened it of course. Anything from 1.5 deg per side to 3 deg per side does work very well.


Thread: Mass Production
03/09/2018 12:36:26

Back to the OP, quite a lot of high volume work was done on multi spindle lathes, with 6 to 7 stations. Each station did a particular operation, often with form tools , or gang tools or other tooling that was made specifically for that part being produced. These were either capable of hand loaded and unloaded parts, or bar feed with parts coming off.

Then the other end detail would be done as a second operation, hand loaded into a basic 2nd op machine, or into a 2nd op semi auto machine. The 2nd op machines, don't have the bar feeders on them, and require the operator to activate the start sequence. Most of the USA machines, needed 2 hand to simultaneously button start.

So in your example, without seeing it, the threaded end would be done 1st, then the end with the hole would be done in a dead length stop collet, for the hole and other detail and the final length as well.


03/09/2018 12:20:21

I once saw an old WW2 American cam auto machine that was making the 1st part of a .303 shell casing. It was just as it was last used in 1945 when production stopped. It was the last one, that the owners Grand father did not sell off or scrap or break down the set up of. It was as I was told, his personal piece of history. It had carbide tooling that was top secret in those days. Anyway, it drilled, did the hole for the primer, turned the out side, did the inside , the ring groove and parted off, all in 6 seconds. Makes on heck of a lot of noise and fluid and stuff goes ever where. It ran cutting oil, and they had what looked like an old washing machine, that spun the chips to reclaim the oil from the swarf. I was really impressed and they ran it that day for us to see. This was back in 07. Similar to the video, had a super rapid turret indexing, on the inline turret, and the back turret. It had a similar vertical part off , and a front tool that did not index, but profiled. This did the retaining grove.

The shells were not necked at this stage, that was done latter, along with the former for the primer hole final sizing.

Thread: Is there a new standard for taps?
02/09/2018 07:42:36

Serial taps out here, is the taps that different thread pitch diameter. Yes they have a single ring being the 1 undersize and the 2 rings being the 2nd undersize tap. Usually the smallest thread pitch diameter is on the 1 ring tap.

Most taps will be like M6 X 1 H7 with the H7 being the thread limit range of that particular tap.

Thread: Cyclone Vacuum Separator
31/08/2018 10:49:11

I just use one of those inline Vacuum cleaner ones. What I like about it, is the clearish container. It is easy to take off and empty. If I suck up a little part, it is not so hard to find.

I used to have a bigger 25 L bucket with cyclone thing. But prefer the smaller unit that is easier to handle.


This is what I have now. My actual one is made by Hoover, this is a knock off, but is the same thing.


Edited By Neil Lickfold on 31/08/2018 10:54:09

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